Find the Speed of a Block: Force, Friction, and Time

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The problem involves a block being pulled on a horizontal surface with a force at an angle, while considering the effects of friction. Participants are tasked with determining the speed of the block after a given time, factoring in the forces acting on it.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of the normal force, noting that it is not simply the weight of the block due to the additional vertical force component from the pulling force. There are questions about how to correctly sum the vertical forces and what they should equal.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the correct approach to calculate the normal force, with some participants providing conflicting interpretations of the force components. Several attempts at calculations have been shared, but there is no consensus on the correct method or outcome yet.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can use or the methods they can apply. There is also a sense of frustration expressed regarding the calculations and results obtained.

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Homework Statement


A 3.72 kg block located on a horizontal floor is pulled by a cord that exerts a force F = 11.5 N at an angle θ = 20.5° above the horizontal. The coefficient of kinetic friction between the block and the floor is 0.070. What is the speed of the block 6.10 s after it starts moving?


Homework Equations


F=ma
vf = at


The Attempt at a Solution


What is the normal force in this case, because it's not mg, as I tried that and got it wrong.
 
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Hi Zhalfirin88! :smile:
Zhalfirin88 said:
What is the normal force in this case, because it's not mg, as I tried that and got it wrong.

That's right … in this case, there are three forces with a (non-zero) component in the vertical direction: F N and W, instead of the usual 2.

Obviously, you need the three components to add to zero. :wink:
 
Zhalfirin88 said:
What is the normal force in this case, because it's not mg, as I tried that and got it wrong.
To figure out the normal force, add up all the vertical force components. What must they add up to?
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi Zhalfirin88! :smile:

That's right … in this case, there are three forces with a (non-zero) component in the vertical direction: F N and W, instead of the usual 2.

Obviously, you need the three components to add to zero. :wink:

I have no idea what you said after there are 3 non-zero components in the vertical direction.

To figure out the normal force, add up all the vertical force components. What must they add up to?

Since it's not moving in the vertical direction it'd be zero right?
 
Zhalfirin88 said:
I have no idea what you said after there are 3 non-zero components in the vertical direction.

There's the force from the cord (F), the weight of the block, and the normal force.

Their components (in any direction) have to add to zero.
 
Okay, I have no patience for this.

0 = FN + Fg + FT

FN = -mg - FT

FN = -(3.72)(9.8) - 11.5sin(20.5)

FN = -36.45 - 3.8523

FN = -40.30 N

But, you plug that into static friction equation and you get fs = -2.821

So, 11.5sin(20.5) + 2.821 = 6.8484N/3.72 kg

a = 1.841 m/s2

vf = at

vf = 1.841 * 6.1

vf = 11.23 and that is wrong.

edit: I also did:

FN = +36.45 - 3.8523 Because down is the negative direction.

FN = 32.5977 N

But, you plug that into static friction equation and you get fs = 2.821

So, 11.5sin(20.5) - 2.821 = 1.7455N/3.72 kg

a = .4692 m/s2

vf = at

vf =.4692 * 6.1

vf = 2.86 and that is wrong. But that was my final try at the question so it's wrong for good now.
 
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Zhalfirin88 said:
0 = FN + Fg + FT

FN = -mg - FT

FN = -(3.72)(9.8) - 11.5sin(20.5)

FN = -36.45 - 3.8523

FN = -40.30 N
You made your mistake in your 2nd line.
ΣF = FN + Fg + FT
ΣF = FN - mg + 11.5sin(20.5)

Since gravity acts down it gets a negative sign, while FT gets a positive sign.

Since ΣF = 0:
FN = mg - 11.5sin(20.5)
 

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