Find the Speed of a Falling Meter Stick

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The problem involves a meter stick that is held vertically and allowed to fall, with the goal of finding the speed of the top end just before it hits the floor. The context is centered around the principles of rotational motion and energy conservation, specifically considering the stick as a thin rod.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the potential energy of the rod and its relation to the center of mass. Questions arise regarding the derivation of equations related to potential energy and angular velocity, including the significance of the factor of 1/2 in the potential energy equation.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, seeking clarification on the mathematical relationships involved. Some have made progress in understanding the derivation of angular velocity, while others continue to seek explanations for specific steps in the reasoning process. There is a collaborative effort to clarify concepts without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that the end of the stick does not slip and are exploring the implications of this setup on the calculations involved. There is an emphasis on understanding the transition from angular to linear velocity in the context of the problem.

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A meter stick is held vertically with one end on the floor and is then allowed
to fall. Find the speed of the other end just before it hits the floor, assuming that the end
on the floor does not slip. (Hint: Consider the stick to be a thin rod and use the
conservation of energy principle)

Solution on page 6 # HRW 10.63
http://www.nvcc.edu/home/tstantcheva/231files/hrwch10hw.pdf

Can someone explain the solution to me please??

I do not understand why PE = 1/2 mgl? where did 1/2 come from?
How did the first step become ω^(2) equal 3g/L?
does v = ωL?
how did ωL = sqrt (3gL)?

thanks!
 
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nchin said:
A meter stick is held vertically with one end on the floor and is then allowed
to fall. Find the speed of the other end just before it hits the floor, assuming that the end
on the floor does not slip. (Hint: Consider the stick to be a thin rod and use the
conservation of energy principle)

Solution on page 6 # HRW 10.63
http://www.nvcc.edu/home/tstantcheva/231files/hrwch10hw.pdf

Can someone explain the solution to me please??

I do not understand why PE = 1/2 mgl? where did 1/2 come from?
How did the first step become ω^(2) equal 3g/L?
does v = ωL?
how did ωL = sqrt (3gL)?

thanks!

The potential energy of the rod is the sum of the potential energies of its pieces. A little piece at the top has potential energy mgL while the bottom piece has zero PE. The whole potential energy is the same as if all the mass concentrated into the centre of mass, at half the height of the rod.

ehild.
 
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ehild said:
The potential energy of the rod is the sum of the potential energies of its pieces. A little piece at the top has potential energy mgL while the bottom piece has zero PE. The whole potential energy is the same as if all the mass concentrated into the centre of mass, at half the height of the rod.

ehild.

so how did 1/2mgL = 1/2(mL^(2)/3)ω^(2) become ω^(2) = 3g/L?
 


[tex]\frac {1}{2}mgL=\frac {1}{2}\frac{mL^2}{3}\omega ^2[/tex]

Isolate ω2.

ehild
 


ehild said:
[tex]\frac {1}{2}mgL=\frac {1}{2}\frac{mL^2}{3}\omega ^2[/tex]

Isolate ω2.

ehild

im sorry, i don't really understand. how would you isolate ω^2?
 


Divide both sides of the equation by mL^2, and multiply by 6. What do you get?

ehild
 


ehild said:
Divide both sides of the equation by mL^2, and multiply by 6. What do you get?

ehild

oooohhhh i got it! ω = sqrt (3g/L)

so can you explain this part to me

v = ωL = sqrt (3gL)

so i know they multiplied L to both side

but why do we need to find the linear velocity instead of the angular velocity?
 


nchin said:
oooohhhh i got it! ω = sqrt (3g/L)

so can you explain this part to me

v = ωL = sqrt (3gL)

so i know they multiplied L to both side

but why do we need to find the linear velocity instead of the angular velocity?

You need it because that was the question in the problem. :smile:

ehild
 


ehild said:
You need it because that was the question in the problem. :smile:

ehild

haha ok thanks for your help!
 
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ω was multiplied by L as the rod rotated about one end, the other end was at distance L from the centre of rotation. L is the radius of the circle the endpoint moves. You know that a point of a roting body at distance R from the centre has the linear velocity Rω.

ehild
 

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