Find the speed of a recoiling atom(modern physics)

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The problem involves an excited iron nucleus (Fe) decaying to its ground state with the emission of a photon, where the energy available from this transition is 14.4 keV. The discussion centers on how the energy of the emitted photon is affected by the recoil of the nucleus.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using conservation of momentum and energy to set up the problem, noting the initial state of the nucleus and the implications of photon emission.
  • Some participants express confusion about the number of unknowns in their equations, particularly regarding the velocity of the nucleus and the wavelength of the photon.
  • There are questions about the relationship between the momentum of the photon and the recoil of the nucleus, as well as concerns about unit conversions leading to unexpected results.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts and calculations. Some have found agreement on certain values, while others are still working through their setups and calculations. There is a recognition of potential errors in unit handling and symbolic calculations, but no consensus has been reached on a final solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of conservation laws in a quantum context, with specific attention to the energy-momentum relationship of photons. The problem is constrained by the requirement to account for both the energy of the photon and the kinetic energy of the recoiling nucleus.

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Homework Statement



An excited iron nucleus (Fe) of mass 57u decays to its ground state with the emission of a photon. The energy available from this transition is 14.4 keV. By how much is the photon energy reduced from the full 14.4 keV as a result of having to share energy with the recoiling atom?


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Everyone tells me to use conservation of momentum but I don't know how to set this up. Initially the iron nucleus is at rest so the momentum is zero. Then the emission of the photon occurs and so I should have the momentum of the photon plus the momentum of the nucleus equal zero right?

But the photon's momentum if Planck's constant divided by the wavelength, which I don't know, so I have two unknowns and one equation, I can't solve that.

So what do I do?
 
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Conservation of energy gives you a second equation.
 
So on one side of the equation I would have 14.4 keV= the kinetic of the Fe nucleus plus the energy of the photon. I see now three unknowns, the velocity of the nucleus after photon emission, the wavelength of the photon and the energy of the photon.
 
I would think the magnitude of momentum is equal to that of the photon. Therefore the atom would have the entire energy of the system if it had double its momenta
 
Raziel2701 said:
So on one side of the equation I would have 14.4 keV= the kinetic of the Fe nucleus plus the energy of the photon. I see now three unknowns, the velocity of the nucleus after photon emission, the wavelength of the photon and the energy of the photon.
The energy and momentum of a photon are related by E=pc.
 
So I've done the following:

Conservation of momentum
0=(57u)v - \frac{h}{\lambda} to solve for the velocity of the iron nucleus of mass 57u. I then plugged it into the equation for conservation of momentum, essentially 14.4keV equals the kinetic of the nucleus and the energy of the photon(hc/lambda):

14.4keV=.5(57u)(\frac{h}{\lambda 57u})^2 +\frac{hc}{\lambda}

So I was able to solve for lambda, the wavelength, and I got .86277 angstrom but then I solved for velocity and I got a velocity 3 orders of magnitude greater than the speed of light...

So obviously I'm doing something wrong, I keep reading the comments that people have left but I'm not getting them. I don't know how to set this problem up.
 
How are you calculating the velocity?
 
With the first equation on my last post, conservation of momentum I have that 0= (57u)v - h/lambda. Having found lambda I just plug it in and solve for v.
 
I suspect you're just screwing up the units, but it's hard to say unless you show us the actual calculations.
 
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So in your opinion my steps, my set up I've placed here is correct? I'll solve it again, see what comes up.
 
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Yeah, it looks fine to me. I got the same photon wavelength and found a speed of about 81 m/s when I worked it out.
 
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Yeah I know what I did wrong. I was solving the energy equation symbolically through matlab, and I had some errors here and there. I got the right answer like you did, at first I thought it didn't make sense to have such velocity(seemed too large to me) but once I calculated what fraction of the total energy (14.4 keV) it represented, I felt at ease again.

Thanks!
 

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