Find the square root of (-2-3)^2?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the square root of the expression (-2-3)^2, exploring the implications of square roots in both real and complex number contexts. Participants examine the conventions surrounding square roots, particularly the distinction between principal values and the general solutions.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the square root of (-2-3)^2 is -5, citing that the root of a squared number is the number itself.
  • Others argue that the square root should be interpreted as the positive magnitude, leading to the conclusion that the square root of (-5)^2 is 5.
  • It is noted that conventionally, the square root refers to the positive value, and thus the square root of (-5)^2 is more accurately stated as 5.
  • Some participants highlight that in the complex domain, both +5 and -5 can be considered square roots of 25, but this raises questions about the definition of square roots as functions.
  • A later reply discusses the principal square root in complex analysis and the implications of defining square roots in a way that maintains function properties.
  • One participant emphasizes that the square root symbol typically denotes the principal (positive) value, while both positive and negative values should be considered when appropriate.
  • Another participant points out that the expression √(x^2) is equal to |x|, which can be surprising to some students.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as there are multiple competing views regarding the interpretation of square roots, particularly in relation to real versus complex numbers and the conventions used in mathematical notation.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the domains (real vs. complex) and the definitions of square roots, which are not fully resolved.

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Root of (-2-3) ^2 = -5 ( because root of squared number is the number itself) but alsoo square of (-2-3) is 25 and its root is (+5) /(-5). Therefore what is the correct answer and reason . I think it is -5(google answer is Also -5) but I don't have any reason. Please help me
 
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parshyaa said:
( because root of squared number is the number itself)
It is not, as your example shows. It is the magnitude of the number.
 
Both answers 5 and -5 are correct for the square root of (-5)^2.

But to be more accurate when you want the square root of a number , you have to state if you want the negative or the positive square root.

When we just say "square root" we mean by convention the positive square root, so it is "a bit more correct" to say that the (positive) square root of (-5)^2 is 5.
 
Delta² said:
Both answers 5 and -5 are correct for the square root of (-5)^2.

No. This is very wrong. The square root of any number is positive. So the square root of ##(-5)^2## is ##5##.
 
micromass said:
No. This is very wrong. The square root of any number is positive. So the square root of ##(-5)^2## is ##5##.
As long as you are in the real domain, yes. In the complex domain both +5 and -5 are the square roots of 25 (since there are no "positive numbers").
 
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Svein said:
As long as you are in the real domain, yes. In the complex domain both +5 and -5 are the square roots of 25 (since there are no "positive numbers").

This is a common definition of the square root in complex numbers, but I don't necessarily agree with it. The problem is that it would make the square root no longer a function, which is undesirable. This is usually fixed by defining a principal square root which only evaluates to ##5## and which has a branch cut (in the same way, our square root in ##\mathbb{R}## is a principal square root too). A nicer solution exists when you go to Riemann surfaces though.
 
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micromass said:
A nicer solution exists when you go to Riemann surfaces though.
That was in my mind, yes.
 
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Okk I got it, answer is +/- 5 but we take 5 because of conventional use
 
It is standard to use the positive square root of a positive number. In complex analysis, that is called the "principle value" of the square root. The negative value will work but it is not the principle value.

EDIT: If you are doing your own work and taking a square root, you should often consider both the positive and negative values. If both might work, indicate that with ±√. If only the positive should be considered, indicate that with √. If only the negative should be considered, indicate that with -√. In all cases, √ just indicates the positive value.
 
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micromass said:
This is a common definition of the square root in complex numbers, but I don't necessarily agree with it. The problem is that it would make the square root no longer a function, which is undesirable. This is usually fixed by defining a principal square root which only evaluates to ##5## and which has a branch cut (in the same way, our square root in ##\mathbb{R}## is a principal square root too). A nicer solution exists when you go to Riemann surfaces though.
But z^{2}=25\Leftrightarrow z^{2}-25=0 \Leftrightarrow (z+5)\cdot (z-5)=0...
 
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parshyaa said:
Root of (-2-3) ^2 = -5 ( because root of squared number is the number itself) but also the square of (-2-3) is 25 and its root is (+5) /(-5). Therefore what is the correct answer and reason . I think it is -5(google answer is Also -5) but I don't have any reason. Please help me
If you had asked more symbolically, "What is ##\ \sqrt{(-2-3) ^2\,}\, ?\,##" then assuming your context was real rather than complex numbers, the answer would be simply, ##\ \sqrt{(-2-3) ^2\,}=5\ .\ ## In the context of real numbers, the ##\ \sqrt{\ \ } \ ## symbol represents the "principle value" of the square root, as pointed out by FactChecker and others.

Moreover, ##\ \sqrt{x^2\,}=|x| \ ## and not ##\ x\ .\ ## This is often surprising to students. So, the square root of a squared number is not necessarily the number itself.
 
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Svein said:
But z^{2}=25\Leftrightarrow z^{2}-25=0 \Leftrightarrow (z+5)\cdot (z-5)=0...
"Find the square root of 25" and "Find all numbers that square to 25" are different mathematical questions. Solving ##z^{2}=25## is the latter. The former is ##z = \sqrt{25}##.
 
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