Find the Value of n in a Unique Factorial Problem with (n+1)!/(n-1)! = 56

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The discussion revolves around solving the equation derived from the factorial expression (n+1)!/(n-1)! = 56 to find the value of n. The participants explore the mathematical reasoning behind the problem, including the manipulation of factorials and the resulting quadratic equation.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion over the factorial problem and mentions that the provided answer (n=7) did not clarify their understanding.
  • Another participant outlines the steps to simplify the factorial expression, leading to the equation n(n+1) = 56, and derives the quadratic equation n^2 + n - 56 = 0.
  • This participant notes the solutions to the quadratic equation are -8 and 7, and concludes that n must be 7 since n is constrained to be greater than or equal to 1.
  • A third participant attempts to further clarify the factorial manipulation by writing out the terms of the numerator and denominator, seeking additional insights.
  • A later reply indicates that the previous explanations have helped clarify the problem for them.

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There is no explicit disagreement among participants, but the initial confusion about the problem suggests that understanding is still developing. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the clarity of the solution process.

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The discussion does not address potential limitations in the reasoning or assumptions made about the values of n, nor does it explore alternative methods for solving the problem.

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Ok, I had never seen a factorial problem like this, and the answer(n=7) didn't help me much in understand the solution either.

If (n+1)!/(n-1)! = 56 , what's the value of n?
 
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ThomsonKevin said:
Ok, I had never seen a factorial problem like this, and the answer(n=7) didn't help me much in understand the solution either.

If (n+1)!/(n-1)! = 56 , what's the value of n?

(Wave)It is known that $n!=1 \cdot 2 \cdots n$.

$$\frac{(n+1)!}{(n-1)!}=56 \Rightarrow \frac{1 \cdot 2 \cdots (n-1) \cdot n \cdot (n+1)}{1 \cdot 2 \cdot 3 \cdots (n-1)}=56 \Rightarrow \frac{n \cdot (n+1)}{1}=56 \Rightarrow n \cdot (n+1)=56 \\ \Rightarrow n^2+n=56$$Solve the equation $n^2+n-56=0$ and you will find the values $-8$ and $7$.

But since $n \geq 1$ we reject the value $-8$, so we have that $n=7$.
 
ThomsonKevin said:
Ok, I had never seen a factorial problem like this, and the answer(n=7) didn't help me much in understand the solution either.

If (n+1)!/(n-1)! = 56 , what's the value of n?

Let's try writing out some terms for the numerator and denominator.

$$\frac{(n+1)!}{(n-1)!}=\frac{(n+1)(n)(n-1)(n-2)...}{(n-1)(n-2)(n-3)...}$$

See anything we can do from here? :)

EDIT: Oops, too late :(
 
Yes, Thank you both of you, it makes clear sense now.
 

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