Find Transformation: Tα & Original vs. New Basis

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The discussion revolves around finding a transformation matrix [T]α related to a change of basis from an original basis to a new basis, referred to as the alpha basis. Participants are exploring how to express a matrix A in different bases and the implications of these transformations.

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  • Participants are attempting to understand how to represent a matrix A in the alpha basis and the relationship between the components of A in both the standard and alpha bases. There are discussions about the notation used and the need to solve for specific components in the alpha basis.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing their interpretations and questioning the definitions of the bases involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the representation of the matrix A and the transformation T, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the definitions of the alpha basis and the standard basis, as well as the components of the transformation matrix. Participants are also navigating the notation used in the problem, which may not align with standard conventions.

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I'm not exactly sure how to find the transformation. The professor wrote something different in class. I know [T]α is what you multiply with the "new" basis to get the transformation of the components of the "original" basis. In this case, it's simply still alpha.

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so guessing here, and abusing a little notation but hopefully it helps..

for a given matrix A you should able to write in the alpha basis:
A = \begin{pmatrix} a &amp; b \\ c &amp; d \end{pmatrix} <br /> = q\vec{\alpha}_1+pq\vec{\alpha}_2+rq\vec{\alpha}_3+sq\vec{\alpha}_3 = \begin{pmatrix} p \\ q \\ r \\ s \end{pmatrix}_{\alpha}

then apply the T transform which is already written in the alpha basis
 
to further understand the alpha basis, note that you could consider A expressed in the standard basis, call it s, and write
A = \begin{pmatrix} a &amp; b \\ c &amp; d \end{pmatrix} <br /> = a\begin{pmatrix} 1 &amp; 0 \\ 0 &amp; 0 \end{pmatrix} <br /> +b\begin{pmatrix} 0 &amp; 1 \\ 0 &amp; 0 \end{pmatrix} <br /> +c\begin{pmatrix} 0 &amp; 0 \\ 1 &amp; 0 \end{pmatrix} <br /> +d\begin{pmatrix} 0 &amp; 0 \\ 0 &amp; 1 \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} a \\ b \\ c \\ d \end{pmatrix}_s
 
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Oh, I see what you're doing.
 
Shackleford said:
That's not the alpha basis. It's not the standard basis.

what's not the alpha basis?

you need to solve for q,p,r,s which give the components in the alpha basis
 
The components are already given.
 
the way i read it (open to interp):
- the components of A in the standard basis are given
- the components of the operator T in the alpha basis is given

so i think you need to express A in the alpha basis, or express T in the standard basis
 

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