Find two 2x2 matrices that multiply to give 0

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The discussion revolves around finding two 2x2 matrices that multiply to give the zero matrix. Participants explore various approaches to understand the conditions under which this occurs, particularly focusing on the concepts of matrix rank and the relationships between the rows and columns of the matrices involved.

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  • Participants consider setting up equations based on matrix multiplication, noting the complexity of having multiple variables. Others suggest thinking in terms of matrix rank and the implications of images and kernels. There is also mention of experimenting with simple matrices and the geometric interpretation of matrix multiplication.

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The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about matrix rank and the implications of the multiplication resulting in the zero matrix. Some guidance has been offered regarding the exploration of simple matrices and the relationships between the rows and columns, but no consensus has been reached on a specific method or solution.

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Participants express uncertainty about terms like images and kernels, indicating a potential gap in foundational knowledge. The problem is framed within the constraints of 2x2 matrices, and there is an acknowledgment of the freedom in choosing variable values due to the equations involved.

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Homework Statement
Find two ##2x2## matrices ##A## and ##B## such that ##AB = 0## but ##BA\neq0##
Relevant Equations
AB=0
One way would be to assume
$$A= \begin{bmatrix}a_1 & a_2\\a_3 & a_4 \end{bmatrix}$$ and $$B=\begin{bmatrix}b_1 & b_2\\b_3 & b_4\end{bmatrix}$$ and then multiply but then you end up with 4 equations and 8 variables, how would that work?

the other way would be to use trial and error, any help would be appreciated.
 
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I would think of it in terms of images and kernels.

To start, what do the rank of A and B need to be?
 
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Office_Shredder said:
I would think of it in terms of images and kernels.

To start, what do the rank of A and B need to be?
I am unfamiliar with terms like images and kernels.

both A and B are 2x2 matrices
 
Do you know what the rank of a matrix is?
 
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Office_Shredder said:
Do you know what the rank of a matrix is?
I thought its 2x2 its given in the question
 
do you know that AB = 0 means the rows of A are perpendicular to the columns of B?
 
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Physics Slayer said:
you end up with 4 equations and 8 variables, how would that work?
That just means that there are a lot of solutions because you have a lot of freedom to pick variable value combinations that work.
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the other way would be to use trial and error, any help would be appreciated.
Experiment with simple matrices with only 0s and 1s as elements. Find how to make a matrix that will zero a row. Find out how to make a matrix that will move a row. Suppose ##B## zeros a row and ##A## moves that row. What happens if ##B## zeros the row before ##A## moves it versus ##A## moving the row before ##B## zeros it? You can use that to get the two cases ##AB = 0## and ##BA \ne 0##.
 
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Just in case, related to what Mathwonk said, look up the Fundamental Theorem of Linear Algebra.
 

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