Find work done using force in two dimensions

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done by a force along a path in two dimensions, specifically focusing on a triangular path defined by three legs. Participants are exploring the implications of integrating force along this path and the challenges posed by simultaneous changes in coordinates.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the need to find work done along each leg of the triangular path and question how to express coordinates as functions of a parameter along the path. There are inquiries about the proper formulation of the differential vector and the integration limits for each leg. Some participants suggest evaluating the path integral and consider the simplifications available for legs aligned with coordinate axes.

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The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about the calculation methods and the definitions involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the evaluation of path integrals and the relationship between the force vector and the differential vector along the path. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored without a clear consensus yet.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may impose specific methods or approaches to be used in the calculations. There is an emphasis on understanding the definitions and relationships between variables in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


F⋅dr=W

The Attempt at a Solution


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The problem statement asks you to find the amount of work done along each of the three legs of the path, and then to add them up. The first leg of the path is particularly tricky because both x and y are changing simultaneously along this leg. Let s be the distance along this leg of the path measured from the initial point at the origin. The total length of this leg is ##\sqrt{4^2+2^2}=2\sqrt{5}##. What are x and y expressed as functions of s along this leg of the path?

Chet
 
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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


F⋅dr=W

The Attempt at a Solution


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If r2 = x2 + y2 + z2, then what is dr? In general, dr ≠ dx + dy + dz

I believe a better definition for the work performed is W = ∫C F ⋅ ds, where the path C is the triangle specified in the OP.
 
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Thank you,

But how can I calculate the work down on each leg of the triangle?

Shall I integrate ∫C F⋅dr along each line, using the limits as the length of each leg, and then sum them up?
 
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Thank you,

But how can I calculate the work down on each leg of the triangle?

Shall I integrate ∫C F⋅dr along each line, using the limits as the length of each leg, and then sum them up?

Well, generally finding the work performed involves evaluating a path integral, which is a little different from evaluating a "regular" definite integral.

For example, two of the legs of the triangle C are aligned with the x and y coordinate axes, making for some simplifications in evaluating ∫ F ⋅ ds on these paths.

The link below discusses and illustrates methods for evaluating path integrals:

http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/CalcIII/LineIntegralsVectorFields.aspx
 
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If f is the fraction of the distance between (0,0,0) and (4,-2,0) along the path, then x = 4f, y = -2 f, and z = 0f. In terms of the fractional distance f, what is the force vector F? In terms of the fractional distance f, what is the differential vector dr along the path? What is F dotted with dr?

Chet
 
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