Find y(x) and f(y) given y''(x)=f(y) and int(f(y)dy)=x-1

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The problem involves finding a function \( y(x) \) and another function \( f(y) \) given the second derivative of \( y \) with respect to \( x \) is equal to \( f(y) \), along with an integral condition relating \( f(y) \) to \( x \). The context includes a stationary point and an x-intercept for \( y(x) \).

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the implications of the integral condition and explore the relationship between \( f(y) \) and the derivatives of \( y \). There are attempts to manipulate the integral and differentiate with respect to \( y \), leading to questions about the analytical solvability of the integral.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing insights and questioning the validity of their approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding checking the consistency of results with the problem's properties.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the presence of a stationary point at \( x=1 \) and an x-intercept at \( x=2 \), which may impose constraints on the functions involved. There is also mention of potential confusion regarding the integration process.

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Homework Statement


A function of y, ##f(y)##, is known to be equal to the second derivative of function ##y(x)##. ( i.e. ##\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}=f\left(y\right)## )

Given that ##\int _{ }^{ }f\left(y\right)dy=x-1##, and function ##y(x)## has a stationary point at ##x=1## and an x-intercept at ##x=2##, find ##y(x)## and hence find ##f(y)##


Homework Equations


Knowledge of solving differential equations.

The Attempt at a Solution


##\int _{ }^{ }f\left(y\right)dy=x-1##
##\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}=f\left(y\right)##
##∴ \int _{ }^{ }\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}dy=\int _{ }^{ }\frac{d\left(\frac{dy}{dx}\right)}{dx}dy=x-1##
I derived both sides with respect to ##y##
##\frac{d\left(\frac{dy}{dx}\right)}{dx}=\frac{d\left(x-1\right)}{dy}##
And this is where I get stuck. I'm not sure what to do from here, can someone please help? Thank you.
 
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$$
\int _{ }^{ }\frac{d\left(\frac{dy}{dx}\right)}{dx}dy = \int \frac{dy}{dx} d\left(\frac{dy}{dx}\right)
$$
if you write ##dy/dx = v##, can you do the integral analytically?
 
blue_leaf77 said:
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$$
\int _{ }^{ }\frac{d\left(\frac{dy}{dx}\right)}{dx}dy = \int \frac{dy}{dx} d\left(\frac{dy}{dx}\right)
$$
if you write ##dy/dx = v##, can you do the integral analytically?

Ah yes I see what you're saying. Integrating a function (or in this case a derivative function) with respect to itself is the same as integrating a singular variable with respect to itself. I've done some quick working out and this is what I got:
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Do you think this looks right or am I way off track?
 
If you check the consistency of your final result with the properties it should have as given in the problem, I guess then your answer is right.
 

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