Finding 3 currents in 3 different branches

  • Thread starter Thread starter judas_priest
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Currents
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding three currents in different branches of a circuit using Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL) and Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL). The original poster presents an equation derived from KCL at a specific node, involving multiple currents and a controlled source.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the use of KCL and KVL to relate the currents in the circuit. There are attempts to substitute expressions for voltages and currents into the equations, leading to questions about the number of unknowns remaining. Some participants suggest using Ohm's law to express one current in terms of another, while others question how to relate the controlled source current to the variables in the KCL equation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on substituting expressions for currents and voltages. There is a focus on clarifying the relationships between the currents and the controlled source, as well as addressing the implications of current direction in the analysis.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of circuit analysis, particularly with controlled sources and the implications of current direction. There is an emphasis on ensuring that the relationships between the currents are consistent with the laws of circuit theory.

judas_priest
Messages
174
Reaction score
0
Has to be done using KVL and KCL ONLY

The attempt at a solution

I first wrote down the KCL for the node 1 i.e the node above the 18 ohm resistor.

Here's what I get
5.6A - ia - ib + 0.1vx - ic - 2A = 0

Here, substituting for 0.1vx as 1.8ia, I get:

5.6A + 0.8ia - ib - ic - 2A = 0

Substituting V/R for each current, I get;

5.6A + 0.8V/18 - V/R (How do I find this R?) - V/9 -2A = 0

So that's 2 unknowns 1 equation.

How do I find R to substitute in the equation and get the value of V, which will then allow me to find the currents in each branch?
 

Attachments

  • Untitled.png
    Untitled.png
    31.5 KB · Views: 456
Physics news on Phys.org
If you choose to use the expression Vx = iA*18Ω, why not use this expression for Vx to find the current iC (via Ohm's law) and replace it in your KCL equation? How many unknowns will you be left with in your KCL equation?
 
gneill said:
If you choose to use the expression Vx = iA*18Ω, why not use this expression for Vx to find the current iC (via Ohm's law) and replace it in your KCL equation? How many unknowns will you be left with in your KCL equation?

you mean
iA*18 = ic*9 ?
And then substitute ic in KCL as iA*18 /9 i.e 2iA?

I'll still be left with two unknowns in that case. iA and ib

The equation will look like this:
5.6 + 0.8 iA = ib + 2 iA + 2
 
judas_priest said:
you mean
iA*18 = ic*9 ?

And then substitute ic in KCL as iA*18 /9 i.e 2iA?

I'll still be left with two unknowns in that case. iA and ib

The equation will look like this:
5.6 + 0.8 iA = ib + 2 iA + 2

Why not replace the Vx in the controlled source, too? ib depends on Vx.
 
gneill said:
Why not replace the Vx in the controlled source, too? ib depends on Vx.

I didn't quite get you.
Could you elaborate?
 
judas_priest said:
I didn't quite get you.
Could you elaborate?

ib is due to a controlled source. The controlled source current has a constant multiplied by Vx. Replace ib by the controlled source expression, and replace its Vx with your chosen expression.
 
gneill said:
ib is due to a controlled source. The controlled source current has a constant multiplied by Vx. Replace ib by the controlled source expression, and replace its Vx with your chosen expression.

For the dependent source, I'll get i as 1.8 iA. I don't see how to relate ib to anything. How do I replace ib by the controlled source expression?
 
judas_priest said:
For the dependent source, I'll get i as 1.8 iA. I don't see how to relate ib to anything. How do I replace ib by the controlled source expression?

ib is determined by the controlled source. ib = -0.1Vx. You've said that the controlled source current is 1.8 iA...
 
gneill said:
ib is determined by the controlled source. ib = -0.1Vx. You've said that the controlled source current is 1.8 iA...

How is ib = -0.1Vx? Do the magnitudes really match? Or are we just equating with opposite signs because they're in opposite directions?
I'm sorry if I sound like I'm missing out on some very basic concept.
Please help me out with this.
 
  • #10
The current produced by the source cannot be different from the current in the branch... it produces the branch current. They must be the same. The only thing to be wary of is the chosen direction for the branch current variable. Adjust the sign to compensate for the fact that the source is driving current "against" the direction of the labeled current.
 
  • #11
gneill said:
The current produced by the source cannot be different from the current in the branch... it produces the branch current. They must be the same. The only thing to be wary of is the chosen direction for the branch current variable. Adjust the sign to compensate for the fact that the source is driving current "against" the direction of the labeled current.

Okay, so two currents in a branch in opposite directions are always equal in magnitude?
 
  • #12
judas_priest said:
Okay, so two currents in a branch in opposite directions are always equal in magnitude?

Sure, since they both describe the same current. It's just their chosen orientation that is different (the direction of the arrow describing the assumed current direction).

There is only one current in the branch. It's been assigned the variable name ib thanks to the labeling on the diagram. That branch consists of a current source. That current source produces current 0.1Vx. Noting the direction associated with the current variable ib as compared with the direction of the source, we conclude that ib = -0.1Vx.

(I should point out that there is an analysis method, called mesh analysis, that assumes that the current in a branch shared by two loops can be decomposed into two separate currents, each contributed by a loop. In the end, though, there's only one physical current flowing in a given branch which happens to be equal to the sum of the currents that were invented for purposes of analysis)
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: 1 person

Similar threads

  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
951
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
Replies
10
Views
2K
Replies
7
Views
1K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
1K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
Replies
7
Views
1K