Current flowing in the middle branch -- Why 2 different answers?

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The discussion revolves around a circuit analysis problem involving two batteries in series and the current flowing through middle resistors. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the application of the superposition method and mesh analysis, questioning why different approaches yield conflicting results.

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  • The original poster attempts to apply the superposition method and mesh analysis to the circuit but encounters difficulties. Participants discuss the necessary steps for applying superposition, including the treatment of other voltage sources. Questions arise about the implications of ideal versus non-ideal batteries on the analysis methods.

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Participants are exploring the limitations of the superposition method and mesh analysis in this specific circuit configuration. Some guidance has been provided regarding the treatment of ideal batteries and the resulting equations in mesh analysis, but no consensus has been reached on the applicability of these methods.

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There is mention of ideal versus non-ideal batteries and the potential impact of internal resistance on the analysis methods. The original poster acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the method initially attempted.

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The two batteries are in series in both the left and right branch .This means the potential difference applied across the two middle resistors is 20 V .Hence the current flowing through them is 20/10= 2 A . This is indeed the correct answer .

Now , my doubt is that why does superposition method fails in this case ?

If I assume current I1 flowing clockwise in the left loop and I2 flowing anti clockwise in the right loop . I1 = 2A and I2 = 2A . Superimposing the two currents in the middle branch gives 4A . But this is incorrect .
 

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When you apply superposition and you select a source to find its contribution to circuit conditions, what must you do to other sources in the circuit?
 
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gneill said:
When you apply superposition and you select a source to find its contribution to circuit conditions, what must you do to other sources in the circuit?

Replace the other voltage sources by a short circuit .
 
Jahnavi said:
Replace the other voltage sources by a short circuit .
Right! And with the batteries being ideal, what are the consequences for the resulting circuit configuration?
 
Does that mean Superposition method cannot be applied in this circuit ?
 
Jahnavi said:
Does that mean Superposition method cannot be applied in this circuit ?
Yup!

If the batteries were not ideal and had some internal resistance (as all real components do), then you would leave the internal resistances in place when you suppress them and everything would be fine and you could go ahead and use superposition.
 
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Thanks !
 
@gneill ,

I am really sorry . Actually in the OP , I tried the "Mesh Analysis" and not the Superposition method .

Why does "Mesh Current" method fails in this case ?

If the batteries were not ideal OR if there were resistors in the left top and left right branch , it works nicely .

Why does it fail this time ?
 
Jahnavi said:
Why does it fail this time ?
It fails because you end up with two identical equations for the loops, which mathematically means that they are not independent. Hence you have only one equation and two unknowns.
 
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You have two variables, ##i_1## and ##i_2##, yes, but they should both appear in both equations when you perform mesh analysis on this circuit. Both currents run through the central branch.
 
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Sorry . I had deleted my post . I realize my mistake .

Thanks !
 

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