Finding a basis for a Vector Space

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding a basis for a vector space, specifically addressing the challenges posed by the definitions of scalar multiplication and addition within that space. Participants explore the implications of using different bases and the conditions for linear independence.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant initially considers the standard basis $\{1,x,x^2\}$ but finds it incompatible with the scalar multiplication definition in the vector space.
  • Another participant suggests that the basis could be $\{0,x,x^2\}$, proposing that $1$ should be treated as the zero vector, leading to the equation $a(0)+b(x)+c(x^2)=1$ implying $a=b=c=0$.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the difference in approach, noting that previous exercises involved setting the linear combination to zero rather than one, which introduces a new perspective on linear independence.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of adhering to the defined operations of addition and scalar multiplication when checking for linear independence.
  • A suggestion is made for clearer notation in expressing linear independence, proposing the use of specific symbols to denote operations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate basis for the vector space and the implications of treating $1$ as the zero vector. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct basis and the interpretation of linear independence in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need to consider the specific definitions of addition and scalar multiplication in the vector space, which may not align with standard practices. There is also a mention of the potential confusion arising from the separation of topics in the textbook.

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4b). How can I find a basis? I was thinking of the standard basis $\{1,x,x^2\}$, but that doesn't work under the scalar multiplication definition in the vector space.

EDIT: I think it is $\{0,x,x^2\}$ and we take $1$ to be the $0$ vector!
$a(0)+b(x)+c(x^2)=1$ implies $a=b=c=0$.
It is strange, because I've done nearly all the questions in the book and I never encountered a question like this one.
 

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Rido12 said:
EDIT: I think it is $\{0,x,x^2\}$ and we take $1$ to be the $0$ vector!
$a(0)+b(x)+c(x^2)=1$ implies $a=b=c=0$.
It is strange, because I've done nearly all the questions in the book and I never encountered a question like this one.

Hey Rido!
You've got it. (Nod)
How is it different?
 
Hey ILS :D

Thanks for the reply!

It is different because in my book, vector spaces and linear independence are in different sections. So most of the time, I have only tried $a(1)+b(x)+c(x^2)=0$ where I set it to $0$, not $1$, and I would solve it under regular addition and multiplication.

This time:
$a(0)+b(x)+c(x^2)=1$
$a(0)-a+1+bx-b+1+cx^2-c+1=1$
$-a+bx-b+cx^2-c=0$

$\implies a=0$ (when $x=1$)
$\implies b=0$ (when $x=-1$)
And finally, $c=0$.
 
Rido12 said:
It is different because in my book, vector spaces and linear independence are in different sections. So most of the time, I have only tried $a(1)+b(x)+c(x^2)=0$ where I set it to $0$, not $1$, and I would solve it under regular addition and multiplication.

So it's a good exercise! (Mmm)

It alerts us to the fact that the addition and scalar multiplication defined for the vector space have to be used whenever checking anything.
Btw, to avoid confusion, a better notation for linear independence would be:
$$a \odot (0) \quad\oplus\quad b \odot (x) \quad\oplus\quad c \odot (x^2) \quad=\quad 0_{\mathbb P_2} \quad=\quad 1$$
(Nerd)
 

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