Finding a nonprime ideal of Z x Z

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In summary, the problem is to find a nontrivial proper ideal of Z x Z that is not prime. The solution given in the book is 4Z x {0}, but this is incorrect. The correct solution is still unknown.
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Homework Statement


Find a nontrivial proper ideal of Z x Z that is not prime.

Homework Equations


Defn: An ideal N in a commutative ring R is prime, if ab in N implies, either a in N, or b in N, for all a, b in R.

Thm: An ideal of N is prime in R iff R/N is an integral domain.

The Attempt at a Solution



The solution at the back of the book is 4Z x {0}, however I don't see how this can be true. If we apply the definition of a prime ideal, we can show this ideal is in fact prime.

The product of 2 typical elements of N = 4Z x {0} is (a,b)(c,d) = (ac, bd), with bd = 0. Since b and d are in Z, which is an integral domain, bd = 0 implies b = 0 or d = 0. So (a,b) or (b,d) is in N. Thus N is prime by definition.

Alternatively, we can compute (Z x Z) / (4Z x {0}) = { (a,b) + 4Z x {0} | (a,b) in Z x Z}. Since, by the division algorithm, we can write a = 4q + r for some r = 0, 1, 2, 3, this simplifies to: (Z x Z) / (4Z x {0}) = { (a,b) + 4Z x {0} | a in {0, 1, 2, 3}, b in Z}, which is clearly isomorphic to {0 ,1 , 2, 3} x Z, which is isomorphic to Z by the map f((a,b)) = 4*a + b, for (a,b) in {0 ,1 , 2, 3} x Z. But Z is a domain, so (Z x Z) / (4Z x {0}) is also a domain and by the theorem above, 4Z x {0} is prime.

So did I make a huge mistake somewhere, or is the solution 4Z x {0} wrong. If so, how do I find the correct solution?
 
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You don't want to consider the product of two elements in 4Zx{0}. You want to consider the product of two elements in ZxZ. (2,0)*(2,0)=(4,0). (4,0) is in 4Zx{0}. (2,0) isn't.
 
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You don't want to consider the product of two elements in 4Zx{0}. You want to consider the product of two elements in ZxZ. (2,0)*(2,0)=(4,0). (4,0) is in 4Zx{0}. (2,0) isn't.

Ahh, yes. Quite a silly mistake to make.

Hmmm, that would mean by second proof is also wrong. However, I can't see any mistakes there. Any ideas?
 
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logarithmic said:
Ahh, yes. Quite a silly mistake to make.

Hmmm, that would mean by second proof is also wrong. However, I can't see any mistakes there. Any ideas?

{0,1,2,3}xZ is not isomorphic to Z, and it's not an integral domain. (2,0)*(2,0)=(0,0). f((a,b))=4*a+b is NOT a ring isomorphism.
 

1. What is a nonprime ideal of Z x Z?

A nonprime ideal of Z x Z is a subset of the set of all ordered pairs of integers that satisfies certain properties. Specifically, it is a subset that contains the zero element (0,0) and is closed under addition and multiplication by any element of Z x Z. Additionally, it must not contain any prime elements, meaning that it cannot be generated by a single ordered pair.

2. Why is finding a nonprime ideal of Z x Z important?

Finding a nonprime ideal of Z x Z is important because it allows us to better understand the structure of the set of all ordered pairs of integers. It also has applications in algebraic number theory and cryptography.

3. How do you find a nonprime ideal of Z x Z?

To find a nonprime ideal of Z x Z, one approach is to use the Euclidean algorithm to generate a set of linearly independent ordered pairs. These ordered pairs can then be used to create a basis for a nonprime ideal.

4. Can a nonprime ideal of Z x Z be generated by more than two elements?

Yes, a nonprime ideal of Z x Z can be generated by more than two elements. In fact, there are infinitely many generators for any nonprime ideal of Z x Z. However, a nonprime ideal cannot be generated by a single element.

5. What are some examples of nonprime ideals of Z x Z?

One example of a nonprime ideal of Z x Z is the set of all ordered pairs that have an even sum. Another example is the set of all ordered pairs that have a difference of 3. Both of these examples satisfy the properties of a nonprime ideal and are generated by more than two elements.

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