Finding a plane given 3 points

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The problem involves finding the equation of a plane given three points in three-dimensional space: (6,-7,2), (-4,7,-4), and (4,8,-2). The discussion centers around the calculations related to the normal vector of the plane and the determinant of the cross product matrix.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the normal vector using the cross product of vectors formed by the given points. There are attempts to evaluate determinants and set up equations for the plane. Some participants question the correctness of the determinant calculations and the application of Cramer's rule.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of different approaches to calculate the normal vector and the equation of the plane. Some participants provide guidance on correcting determinant calculations and suggest checking for errors in the setup of equations. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants express frustration over incorrect results and question their calculation methods. There are indications of potential errors in determinant evaluations and the handling of negative signs in the equations.

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Homework Statement



Find a plane through the points (6,-7,2), (-4,7,-4), (4,8,-2)

The Attempt at a Solution



A = <-10, 14, -6>

B = <-2, 15, -4>

i j k
-10 14 -6
-2 15 -4

i(-146) - j(28) + k(-178)

-146(x - 6) - 28(y + 7) - 178(z + 2)

-146x - 28y - 178z = 324

Actual answer: `34*x -28*y -122*z = 156`

ugh
 
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u evaluated the determinant of the cross product matrix incorrectly, it should be 34i-28y-122z, did u use cramer's rule?
 
Okay, here's my work for a similar problem with the same concept. Does this look right?

P = (-8, -3, 7)

Q = (-8, 7, 4)

R = (-2, -4, -8)

PQ = (0, 10, -3)

PR = (6, -1, -15)

i j k
0 10 -3
6 -1 -15

i(-150 + 3) - j(-18) + k(60) = 0

147(x + 8) + 18(y - 3) + 60(z - 7) = 0

147x + 18y + 60z = -1176 + 54 + 420 = -702
 
Ugh! It's wrong...what am I doing wrong?!
 
You have the right idea, but perhaps you are calculating the determinant too fast, it should go like this:
i((10*-15)-(-3*-1))-j((0*-15)-(-3*6))+k((0*-1)-(10*6)=
i(-150-3)-j(0-(-18))+k(0-60)=
-153i-18j-60k
Now, as you are having the right idea, take the dot product of our newfound normal vector with P and set it equal to zero since, by definition, it is normal:
(-153i-18j-60k).(i(x-(-8))+j(y-(-3))+k(z-7))=
153(x+8)-18(y+3)-60(z-7)=0
You should be able to solve it from there. Let me know if this answer does not coincide with the book. There are lots of double negatives that you seemed to have misplaced in your calculations...be careful!
 

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