Finding a Solution to an Inequality in Natural Numbers

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The discussion revolves around finding natural numbers \(a, b, c, d, e, f, g\) that satisfy the equation \(\dfrac{1}{a}+\dfrac{1}{b}+\dfrac{1}{c}+\dfrac{1}{d}+\dfrac{1}{e}+\dfrac{1}{f}+\dfrac{1}{g}=1\) under the condition that \(a < b < c < d < e < f < g\). Participants explore various solutions, approaches, and the implications of the inequality.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a solution with \(a=2, b=4, c=8, d=16, e=32, f=48, g=96\) and outlines a method of deriving this from the equation.
  • Another participant suggests a different approach, finding the smallest value of \(g\) to be \(30\) using the divisors of \(90\) and their reciprocals to sum to \(1\).
  • This same participant also claims to have found a very large value for \(g\), specifically \(10\,650\,056\,950\,806\), by applying a recursive relation involving the fractions.
  • A further contribution presents a series of fractions that sum to \(1\) and proposes a different set of values, including \(g=42\), as part of a sequence derived from differences of reciprocals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views and solutions without reaching a consensus on a single solution or approach. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best or most efficient method to find valid sets of \(a, b, c, d, e, f, g\).

Contextual Notes

Some participants rely on specific properties of numbers, such as divisibility and the behavior of fractions, which may not be universally applicable. The assumptions made in deriving solutions are not fully explored or agreed upon.

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$a,b,c,d,e,f,g \in N$

$a<b<c<d<e<f<g$

$\dfrac{1}{a}+\dfrac{1}{b}+\dfrac{1}{c}+\dfrac{1}{d}+\dfrac{1}{e}+\dfrac{1}{f}+\dfrac{1}{g}=1$

please find one possible solution of a,b,c,d,e,f,g

(you should find it using mathematical analysis,and show your logic,don't use any

program)
 
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Albert said:
$a,b,c,d,e,f,g \in N$

$a<b<c<d<e<f<g$

$\dfrac{1}{a}+\dfrac{1}{b}+\dfrac{1}{c}+\dfrac{1}{d}+\dfrac{1}{e}+\dfrac{1}{f}+\dfrac{1}{g}=1$

please find one possible solution of a,b,c,d,e,f,g

(you should find it using mathematical analysis,and show your logic,don't use any

program)

we have
1 = 1/2 + 1/2
= 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/4
= 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/8
= 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/16 + 1/16
= 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/16 + 1/32 + 1/32
= 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/16 + 1/32 + 3/96
= 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/16 + 1/32 + (2+1)/96
= 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/16 + 1/32 + 1/48 + 1/96
so a =2 , b= 4, c = 8, d= 16,e=32, f= 48,g =96

this follows from 1/a = 1/(2a) + 1/(2a) and
1/(2a) = 1/ (3a) + 1/(6a)
 
Albert said:
$a,b,c,d,e,f,g \in N$

$a<b<c<d<e<f<g$

$\dfrac{1}{a}+\dfrac{1}{b}+\dfrac{1}{c}+\dfrac{1}{d}+\dfrac{1}{e}+\dfrac{1}{f}+\dfrac{1}{g}=1$

please find one possible solution of a,b,c,d,e,f,g
Just to liven the problem up a bit, what are the smallest and largest possible values of $g$?

The smallest I have found so far is $g=30$, from the sum $$\frac13 + \frac15 + \frac16 + \frac19 + \frac1{10} + \frac1{18} + \frac1{30} = \frac{30 + 18 + 15 + 10+9+5 + 3}{90} = \frac{90}{90} = 1.$$ (I found that example by taking a number with many divisors, in this case $90$, and looking for seven of its divisors that added up to $90$.)

The largest value I can find for $g$ is $10\,650\,056\,950\,806$. That came from repeatedly using the relation $\dfrac1n = \dfrac1{n+1} + \dfrac1{n(n+1)}$, as follows: $$1 = \frac12 + \frac13 + \frac16,$$ $$1 = \frac12 + \frac13 + \frac17 + \frac1{42},$$ $$1 = \frac12 + \frac13 + \frac17 + \frac1{43} + \frac1{1806},$$ $$1 = \frac12 + \frac13 + \frac17 + \frac1{43} + \frac1{1807} + \frac1{3\,263\,442},$$ $$1 = \frac12 + \frac13 + \frac17 + \frac1{43} + \frac1{1807} + \frac1{3\,263\,443} + \frac1{10\,650\,056\,950\,806}. $$ Any advance on ten trillion?
 
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$(\dfrac {1}{1} - \dfrac {1}{2}) +(\dfrac {1}{2} - \dfrac {1}{3}) +(\dfrac {1}{3}- \dfrac {1}{4}) + (\dfrac {1}{4} - \dfrac {1}{5}+) (\dfrac {1}{5} - \dfrac {1}{6})+(\dfrac {1}{6} - \dfrac {1}{7})$
$=\dfrac {1}{2} + \dfrac {1}{6}+\dfrac {1}{12} + \dfrac {1}{20} + \dfrac {1}{30}+ \dfrac {1}{42}
=\dfrac {6}{7}=1-\dfrac {1}{7}$
$\therefore \,\, \dfrac {1}{2} + \dfrac {1}{6}+\dfrac {1}{7} + \dfrac {1}{12}+\dfrac {1}{20}+\dfrac {1}{30}+\dfrac {1}{42}=1$
 

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