Finding Acceleration of a Car with a Hanging Mass

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The problem involves a point object of mass M hanging from a massless string in a car that accelerates uniformly. The object makes an angle θ from the vertical, and the task is to find the car's acceleration in terms of θ, M, L, and g. The context suggests a focus on forces acting on the hanging mass and the relationship between the car's acceleration and the angle.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the hanging mass and the implications of the car's acceleration. There is uncertainty about whether the car is on a horizontal surface or an inclined plane, leading to different interpretations of the forces involved. One participant suggests splitting the tension into horizontal and vertical components to analyze the forces more clearly.

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Some participants have provided insights into the force components and the relationship between the tension in the string and gravitational force. There is an acknowledgment of the need to clarify the setup, particularly regarding the surface on which the car is moving. The discussion appears to be productive, with attempts to guide understanding of the problem without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the ambiguity regarding whether the car is on a horizontal surface or an inclined plane, which affects the analysis of forces. There is also a mention of the need to consider the acceleration of both the car and the hanging mass in the context of their respective directions.

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Homework Statement


A point object of mass M hangs from the ceiling of a car from a massless string of length L. It is observed to make an angle θ from the vertical as the car accelerates uniformly from rest. Find the acceleration of the car in terms of θ, M, L, and g.

Diagram: http://www.aapt.org/physicsteam/2010/upload/2010_FmaSolutions.pdf (Number 9)



Homework Equations


F = ma

The Attempt at a Solution


They wanted the acceleration, so I started with
a = F / m
The only thing I need is to find F and substitute it back into the above equation. However, I don't know if the car is moving up an inclined plane or on a horizontal surface.
If it were a horizontal surface, the only force would be mg sin θ (mg cos θ and Fn (ceiling) would cancel each other out), so a = g sin θ, which is not correct. My thinking is obviously flawed, so any ideas would be helpful.
Thank you
 
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morrisj753 said:

Homework Statement


A point object of mass M hangs from the ceiling of a car from a massless string of length L. It is observed to make an angle θ from the vertical as the car accelerates uniformly from rest. Find the acceleration of the car in terms of θ, M, L, and g.

Diagram: http://www.aapt.org/physicsteam/2010/upload/2010_FmaSolutions.pdf (Number 9)



Homework Equations


F = ma

The Attempt at a Solution


They wanted the acceleration, so I started with
a = F / m
The only thing I need is to find F and substitute it back into the above equation. However, I don't know if the car is moving up an inclined plane or on a horizontal surface.
If it were a horizontal surface, the only force would be mg sin θ (mg cos θ and Fn (ceiling) would cancel each other out), so a = g sin θ, which is not correct. My thinking is obviously flawed, so any ideas would be helpful.
Thank you

If it were on an inclined plane they would tell you so. The forces acting on the ball are the string tension T and gravity mg acting down. Split T into horizontal and vertical components. Then the vertical component of T must be mg. Solve for T and put it into the horizontal component.
 
Thank you for the response, and yes, I did end up with the correct answer.
 
Just a question. How come if you split mg into components you get the wrong answer?
 
SignaturePF said:
Just a question. How come if you split mg into components you get the wrong answer?

The ball (just like the car) is accelerating horizontally and not accelerating vertically. So you want to split the forces into horizonal and vertical components. There's no need to split mg. It's already vertical.
 

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