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Yes, and ##F_0## is just shorthand for ##\frac 12mg##, so, for ##\beta\geq 1##, N=0 implies m=0.Hak said:This means that N goes to 0 when F_0 goes to 0
The discussion revolves around the normal force acting on a thin stick being lifted from a surface, particularly focusing on the differences in calculations when using different axes of rotation. The original poster notes discrepancies in the normal force expressions derived from using the left end versus the center of mass (CM) as the pivot point, leading to confusion about the correct interpretation of the forces involved.
The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing algebraic checks and questioning assumptions about the stick's behavior as it begins to lift. Some participants suggest that there may be errors in calculations, while others emphasize the need for a free body diagram to clarify the forces at play. There is no explicit consensus yet on the correct approach or interpretation.
Participants note that the problem does not specify the thickness of the stick, which may affect the calculations and assumptions about the normal force. There are also references to the constraints of time in a contest setting, suggesting that the complexity of the problem may exceed typical expectations for a quick solution.
Yes, and ##F_0## is just shorthand for ##\frac 12mg##, so, for ##\beta\geq 1##, N=0 implies m=0.Hak said:This means that N goes to 0 when F_0 goes to 0
It says that , for ##\beta\geq 1##, assuming N can be zero gives a silly answer, so it can't go to zero.Hak said:I obtain: ##\delta F = \frac{1+\beta}{1-\beta} F_0##, or ##F = \frac{2}{1-\beta} F_0##. What does this tell me? Is there any particular information?
Why for ##\beta \ge 1## and not for only ##\beta = 1##? Thanks.haruspex said:Yes, and ##F_0## is just shorthand for ##\frac 12mg##, so, for ##\beta\geq 1##, N=0 implies m=0.
Because for ##\beta>1## the equation you quoted has the form ##N=F_0+(positive factor)\delta F##.Hak said:Why for ##\beta \ge 1## and not for only ##\beta = 1##? Thanks.
Reviewing post #53, I cannot understand the above statement. Why the only way to make ##N > 0## and ##\beta = 1## is ##mg = 0##? Perhaps you meant to say ##N = 0##? I cannot understand it.haruspex said:It makes sense because otherwise you have made two contradictory assumptions: ##N>0, \beta=1##. The only way both can be true is mg=0.
Yes, good catch. Corrected.Hak said:Perhaps you meant to say N=0?