The normal force on a thin stick being lifted on a surface

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The discussion centers on the calculation of the normal force exerted on a thin stick being lifted at one end. Two different expressions for the normal force are derived based on the axis of rotation: one using the left end and another using the center of mass (CM). The derived equations indicate that the normal force must be consistent regardless of the chosen axis, leading to the conclusion that the normal force is bounded between 1/2 mg and 5/6 mg. The analysis reveals potential algebraic errors and emphasizes the importance of considering the stick's thickness in calculations.

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  • #91
Hak said:
This means that N goes to 0 when F_0 goes to 0
Yes, and ##F_0## is just shorthand for ##\frac 12mg##, so, for ##\beta\geq 1##, N=0 implies m=0.
 
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  • #92
Hak said:
I obtain: ##\delta F = \frac{1+\beta}{1-\beta} F_0##, or ##F = \frac{2}{1-\beta} F_0##. What does this tell me? Is there any particular information?
It says that , for ##\beta\geq 1##, assuming N can be zero gives a silly answer, so it can't go to zero.
 
  • #93
haruspex said:
Yes, and ##F_0## is just shorthand for ##\frac 12mg##, so, for ##\beta\geq 1##, N=0 implies m=0.
Why for ##\beta \ge 1## and not for only ##\beta = 1##? Thanks.
 
  • #94
Hak said:
Why for ##\beta \ge 1## and not for only ##\beta = 1##? Thanks.
Because for ##\beta>1## the equation you quoted has the form ##N=F_0+(positive factor)\delta F##.
 
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  • #95
haruspex said:
It makes sense because otherwise you have made two contradictory assumptions: ##N>0, \beta=1##. The only way both can be true is mg=0.
Reviewing post #53, I cannot understand the above statement. Why the only way to make ##N > 0## and ##\beta = 1## is ##mg = 0##? Perhaps you meant to say ##N = 0##? I cannot understand it.
 
  • #96
Hak said:
Perhaps you meant to say N=0?
Yes, good catch. Corrected.
 

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