Finding Al's Mass in a Momentum Problem

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The problem involves two friends, Al and Jo, who have a combined mass of 167 kg and are initially at rest on skates. Upon releasing a compressed spring, they move in opposite directions with given velocities. The goal is to determine Al's mass using the principles of momentum conservation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the conservation of momentum but expresses confusion about how to incorporate the combined mass into the equations. They question how to proceed with the individual masses given the velocities.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on rearranging the equations to express one mass in terms of the other. There is an acknowledgment of a potential sign error in the velocity of Jo, which may affect the calculations. The discussion reflects an ongoing exploration of the problem without a definitive resolution yet.

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Participants are working under the assumption that friction is negligible and are focused on the relationship between the individual masses and their velocities. There is a noted constraint regarding the requirement that the combined mass must equal 167 kg.

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Homework Statement


Two friends, Al and Jo, have a combined mass of 167kg. At an ice skating rink they stand close together on skates, at rest and facing each other, with a compressed spring between them. The spring is kept from pushing them apart, because they are holding each other. When they release their arms, Al moves off in one direction at a speed of .897 m/s, while Jo moves off in the opposite direction, at a speed of 1.09 m/s. Assuming at friction is negligible, find Al's mass.


Homework Equations



m1v1 + m2v2=0

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm at a loss about how to factor in the combined mass here. You've got v1 and v2 and a combined mass, not individual masses.

m1(.897) + m2(1.09)=0 (What do you do with these masses now??)
 
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So, m1 + m2 = 167kg, rearrange the equation. m1 = ?
 
so m1=167-m2

(167-m2)(.897) + m2(1.09)=0
distribute 149.799-.897m2 + 1.09m2=0
combine like terms 149.799+.193m2=0
.193m2=-149.799
m2=-776.16 (which can't be right, because one, it's negative, and two, the masses have to add up to 167, and 776.16 is obviously larger)

did i make a math error somewhere? because i was sure what you said would work
 
You just have a sign problem. If Al moves in one direction at .897m/s, and Jo moves in the 'opposite' direction, the sign of Jo's velocity should be negative (-1.09m/s). Try that and it should work.
 
thanks so much!
 

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