Finding an equation of Partial Derivatives

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The discussion revolves around the topic of partial derivatives in the context of multivariable functions, specifically focusing on the relationships between the variables x, y, and z when f(x,y,z) = 0. The original poster seeks to demonstrate specific equations involving partial derivatives.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to manipulate equations involving total differentials to show relationships between partial derivatives. They express uncertainty about how to demonstrate certain identities and how to incorporate additional variables into their equations. Other participants clarify terminology related to partial derivatives.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and clarifying terminology. Some guidance has been offered regarding the meaning of specific terms, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach to solving the original poster's queries.

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Participants note that there are specific instructions from the instructor regarding deriving expressions for total differentials, which may influence the approach taken in the discussion.

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Homework Statement



If f(x,y,z) = 0, then you can think of z as a function of x and y, or z(x,y). y can also be thought of as a function of x and z, or y(z,x)
Therefore:

[tex]dz= \frac{\partial z}{\partial x}dx + \frac{\partial z}{\partial y} dy[/tex]
and
[tex]dy= \frac{\partial y}{\partial x}dx + \frac{\partial y}{\partial z} dz[/tex]

Show that
[tex]1= \frac{\partial z}{\partial y} \frac{\partial y}{\partial z}[/tex]
and then
[tex]-1= \frac{\partial x}{\partial z} \frac{\partial y}{\partial x}\frac{\partial z}{\partial y}[/tex]

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Substituting [itex]dy[/itex] into the [itex]dz[/itex] equation you get
[tex]dz = \frac{\partial z}{\partial x}dx + \frac{\partial z}{\partial y} \frac{\partial y}{\partial x}dx + \frac{\partial y}{\partial z}\frac{\partial z}{\partial y}dz[/tex]

This can be rearranged to show
[tex]dz (1-\frac{\partial z}{\partial y}\frac{\partial y}{\partial z}) = dx(\frac{\partial z}{\partial x}+\frac{\partial z}{\partial y}\frac{\partial y}{\partial x})[/tex]
and then
[tex](1-\frac{\partial z}{\partial y}\frac{\partial y}{\partial z}) = \frac{dx}{dz}(\frac{\partial z}{\partial x}+\frac{\partial z}{\partial y}\frac{\partial y}{\partial x})[/tex]

In order to show that [itex]\frac{\partial z}{\partial y}\frac{\partial y}{\partial z} = 1[/itex], I only need to show that [itex](\frac{\partial z}{\partial x}+\frac{\partial z}{\partial y}\frac{\partial y}{\partial x})=0[/itex], but I'm not sure how to do that. As for the second equation, I'm not sure where to get a [itex]\frac{\partial x}{\partial z}[/itex] into the equation in the first place.
 
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Thanks for the reply!

What do [itex]f_y[/itex] and [itex]f_z[/itex] refer to?
 
These are the partial derivatives of f with respect to y and z,respectivly.
 
Oh okay, thing is, that's the way the instructor did it, while we were asked to derive expressions for the total differential for dz and dy, then substitute the latter into the former, sorry if I wasn't clear. Thanks though!
 
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