Finding Analagous Electric Circuit for Mass Spring Damper System Homework

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The discussion focuses on deriving the analogous electrical circuit for a mass-spring-damper system, specifically using equations of motion for two masses, m1 and m2. The equations provided are accurate, but the importance of accounting for gravitational forces is highlighted. Participants discuss two paradigms for the electrical analogy: Force ⇒ Voltage and Force ⇒ Current, with the latter suggesting that masses can be represented as capacitors. The conversation emphasizes the need for understanding these concepts to simplify complex systems.

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Homework Statement



Find the analogous electrical circuit for the following mass spring damper system.

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I am rusty with writing equations of motion. I wanted to see if someone could check my work.

Looking at the diagram, there are three equations to write. Also there should be a third displacement variable, call it ##x_3##, between ##k_3## and ##b##. Assume down is positive.

For mass ##m_1##:

$$m_1x'' = -k_1x_1 + k_2(x_2 - x_1) + k_3(x_3 - x_1) + b(x_2' - x_3') + p(t)$$

For mass ##m_2##:

$$m_2x'' = -k_2(x_2 - x_1) - b(x_2' - x_3') - k_3(x_3 - x_1)$$

At the node in between the damper and spring:

$$0 = -k_3(x_3 - x_1) + b(x_2' - x_3')$$

Do these look okay?
 
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You do realize that you can draw an analogous electrical circuit for the mechanical system without writing and solving the differential equations, right?
 
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gneill said:
You do realize that you can draw an analogous electrical circuit for the mechanical system without writing and solving the differential equations, right?

Yes this is possible, but I was hoping to understand how to write the equations of motion anyway. It would be nice to know how to write them for a more complicated system, so I would still like to know if I've done that properly.

I'll give your idea a try though. Here is my attempt:

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The battery on the far right corresponds to ##p(t)##.
 
Yes, your figure looks okay to me. You've chosen the Force ⇒ Voltage paradigm. You could also have used the Force ⇒ Current paradigm where masses become capacitors rather than inductors.

For your equations, at a glance they look fine except I don't see where you've accounted for gravity acting on the masses.
 
gneill said:
Yes, your figure looks okay to me. You've chosen the Force ⇒ Voltage paradigm. You could also have used the Force ⇒ Current paradigm where masses become capacitors rather than inductors.

Okay.

gneill said:
For your equations, at a glance they look fine except I don't see where you've accounted for gravity acting on the masses.

Yeah I find this weird because in my textbook they never seem to account for the force of gravity on a mass.

They compensate for this by making a substitution like so:

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Ah, I see. Yes, that substitution works and makes the math simpler. Of course, to match the model's predicted position to a real-world position one would need to know the equilibrium position's offset in real-world coordinates.
 

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