Finding Arbitrary nth Roots of -1 Algebraically

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The discussion revolves around finding all arbitrary nth roots of -1 algebraically, with a focus on methods involving complex numbers and trigonometric functions. Participants explore various approaches, including de Moivre's Theorem and exponential forms, while questioning the definitions and interpretations of "algebraically."

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that to find roots in \mathbb{C}, the equation x^n = -1 implies that |x| = 1, leading to the representation x = e^{i θ} and the need for n distinct solutions.
  • Another participant questions how to derive specific forms, such as 1/2 (1 - i √3), from the general approach.
  • It is proposed that using de Moivre's Theorem allows for expressing the nth root as cos(π/n) + i sin(π/n), with roots being powers of this expression.
  • One participant emphasizes that the nth roots of -1 can be expressed using complex exponentials, specifically through the formula cos((1 + 2k)π/n) + i sin((1 + 2k)π/n) for k ranging from 1 to n.
  • Examples are provided for cube roots of -1, demonstrating how they can be derived using trigonometric identities and geometric interpretations.
  • Concerns are raised about the complexity of roots for higher values of n, suggesting that not all roots yield simple trigonometric values.

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Participants express differing views on what constitutes an "algebraic" solution, with some advocating for the inclusion of trigonometric functions while others suggest that purely algebraic methods may not suffice. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the definition and scope of "algebraically."

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Limitations include the ambiguity in the term "algebraically," which leads to varying interpretations of acceptable methods for finding roots. The discussion also highlights the dependence on complex analysis and trigonometric identities, with unresolved mathematical steps in deriving specific roots.

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is there a way to find all of the arbitrary nth roots of -1 algebraically?
 
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Assuming you want to find roots in [tex]\mathbb{C}[/tex], if [tex]x^n = -1[/tex], then [tex]\lvert x \rvert = 1[/tex], so [tex]x = e^{i \theta}[/tex] for some [tex]\theta[/tex]. Since [tex]-1 = e^{i \pi}[/tex], all you need to do is find n distinct solutions of [tex]e^{i \theta} = e^{i \pi}[/tex]. (That you only need n solutions follows from that you're effectively asking for the roots of the polynomial [tex]x^n + 1[/tex].)
 
how would that get me say, 1/2 (1 - I Sqrt[3])?
 
soandos said:
is there a way to find all of the arbitrary nth roots of -1 algebraically?
You need to be more clear about what you mean by "find". e.g. why is [itex](1/2) (1 - i 3^{1/2})[/itex] a pleasing answer, but not [itex](\sqrt[3]{-1})^5[/itex]?
 
Well, if you want to find them in terms of signs and cosins, we just use de Moivre's Theorem.

Since cos(pi) + isin(pi) = -1. We find the nth root as cos(pi/n) + isin(pi/n) = -1^1/n.
Other roots are powers of this root and we obtain 1/n, 2/n, 3/n...n/n=1. For n=3, the first root we encounter is cos(60) + isin(60)=1/2 + i(sqrt3)/2.
 
Yes, as someone noted already, -1=exp(i*pi) take the nth root, i.e:
exp(i*pi+2pi*k)/n=(-1)^1/n.
I am being succint today, aren't I.
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soandos said:
is there a way to find all of the arbitrary nth roots of -1 algebraically?
What do you mean by "algebraically"? By DeMoivre's theorem, we know that some roots necessarily involve complex exponentials or, equivalently, sine and cosine.

Generally, the nth roots of -1 are given by
[tex]cos\left(\frac{(1+ 2k)\pi}{n}\right)+ i sin\left(\frac{(1+ 2k)\pi}{n}\right)[/tex]
where k ranges from 1 to n to give all n roots.

For example, since [itex]-1= e^{\pi}= cos(\pi)+ i sin(\pi)[/itex] or could be written as [itex]-1= e^{\pi+ 2\pi}= e^{3\pi}= cos(3\pi)+ i sin(3\pi)[/itex] or [itex]-1= e^{\pi+ 2\pi+ \2pi}= e^{5\pi}= cos(5\pi)+ i sin(\5pi)[/itex], its cube roots are
[itex]e^{pi/3}= cos(\pi/3)+ i sin(\pi/3)[/itex],
which equals [itex]1/2+ i\sqrt{3}/2[/itex]

[itex]e^{3pi/3}= cos(\pi)+ i sin(\pi)= -1[/itex], and

[itex]e^{5\pi/3}= cos(5\pi/3)+ i sin(5\pi/3)[/itex],
which equals [itex]1/2- i\sqrt{3}/2[/itex]

Since [itex]\pi/3= 60[/itex] degrees, you can, of course, get those values by bisecting an equilateral triangle.

Similarly, you could get those values geometrically by recognizing that the roots lie on the vertices of an equilateral triangle inscribed in the unit circle.

But roots like the 5th root or 7th root will not give such nice values. If you do not include trig functions in "algebraically", there is no way.
 

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