Finding Basis of W: Linear Independence of X1,X2,X3,X4

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The discussion revolves around determining the basis of a vector space W defined by a linear equation involving four coordinates, X1, X2, X3, and X4, in R4. Participants are exploring the concepts of linear independence and dimensionality within this context.

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  • Participants discuss the independence of the vectors based on the equation X1 + 2X3 + X4 = 0 and question the implications for the dimension of W. There are attempts to characterize vectors in W and to derive relationships among the coordinates.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the dimensionality of W, with some participants suggesting that the dimension is 3 based on the independence of certain coordinates. Others are clarifying the nature of the coordinates and their roles in forming a basis.

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Participants note that the coordinates X1, X2, X3, and X4 are not vectors themselves, which raises questions about how to appropriately discuss their independence and the formation of a basis. There is also a mention of the need for clarity regarding the definitions and relationships among the coordinates.

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given these 4 vectors X1..4 in vector space W

W=sp{(X1,X2,X3X4)[tex]\in[/tex]r4| X1+2X3+X4=0}

Find the basis of W,

what i did was--
for these to be the basis of W they need to span W and be independent of one another,-
since X1+2X3+X4=0 it is clear that these 3 are not independent, since X1+2X3=-X4 etc..

does this mean that dimW=3 and i can take any combination of 3 of the 4 x's for my basis as long as X2 is one of them?
 
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x1, x2, x3, and x4 aren't vectors; they are coordinates of an arbitrary vector in R4. The problem could just have easily been stated in terms of x, y, z, and w.

From the definition of the set W, I can tell by inspection that (1, 1, 0, -3) is in the set, and I got this by substituting values into the equation x1 + 2x2 + x4 = 0.

You can characterize all of the vectors in W just from the equation and three other obvious equations:
x1 = - 2x2 - x4
x2 = 1x2
x3 = 1x3
x4 = 1x4

If you look at this system of equations for a while, you might see some vectors lurking in there. You might even be able to convince yourself that they are linearly independent and span W.
 
thanks, so the dimension would be 1
and the basis would be that vector (made up of)
x1 = - 2x2 - x4
x2 = 1x2
x3 = 1x3
x4 = 1x4
 
Dell said:
thanks, so the dimension would be 1
and the basis would be that vector (made up of)
x1 = - 2x2 - x4
x2 = 1x2
x3 = 1x3
x4 = 1x4

No, the dimension is not 1. Notice that for each vector (x1, x2, x3, x4) there are three parameters that can be set. Does that tell you something?
 
right, x2 x3 and x4 are all independent,
dim=3
 
Dell said:
right, x2 x3 and x4 are all independent,
dim=3
No on x2, x3, and x4. Yes on the dimension.

As I said earlier, x2, x3, and x4 are not vectors, so it doesn't make any sense to describe them as linearly dependent or linearly independent.

You should be able to get three lin. independent vectors out of the system of equations I wrote in a previous post.
 

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