Finding block flight distance (work/energy/projectile motion)

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The problem involves a block launched by a spring on a frictionless surface, which then moves up an incline with kinetic friction. The goal is to determine the distance the block travels through the air after being launched.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of work-energy principles and the calculations involved in determining the net work done on the block. There are questions about the accuracy of the calculations related to potential energy and frictional forces.

Discussion Status

Several participants are exploring the calculations and assumptions made regarding the forces acting on the block. Some suggest re-evaluating the work done by friction and the potential energy calculations. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet, but guidance has been offered regarding the setup of free body diagrams and the interpretation of forces.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the problem statement, including the given values for spring constant, mass of the block, and coefficients of friction. There is an ongoing discussion about the correct interpretation of the incline's geometry and the forces involved.

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Homework Statement



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The spring in the figure has a spring constant of 1100 N/m. It is compressed 14.0 cm, then launches a 200 g block. The horizontal surface is frictionless, but the block's coefficient of kinetic friction on the incline is 0.210.

What distance d does the block sail through the air?

Homework Equations



Work of spring:

W(spring) = 1/2*k*s^2

Work of Friction + Gravity as block slides up incline:

W(friction) = -u*k*n*s = -u*k*Wx*s = -u*k*m*g*cos(theta) * s
W(gravity) = Wy * s = m * g * s * sin(theta)

Work-Energy Theorem

W(net) = (delta)K = Kf - Ki

Projectile Motion Kinematics:

Vfy = Viy - g * t
Xf = Xi + Vix * t

The Attempt at a Solution



Using the work equations above, I found the net work at the top of the ramp to be 10.47J (10.7J from spring initially - 0.041J of friction - 0.19J of gravity = 10.47J), and then I used the Work-Energy equation to find the final velocity at the top of the ramp to be 10.23 m/s.

Using this velocity and the fact that the launch angle is 45 degrees, I found the x and y components of the launch velocity and plugged them into the equations above to get the time the block spent in the air, and then finally the final distance traveled by the block, which I found to be 5.41m.

Unfortunately, this answer is incorrect. After looking around the web for a while for another reasonable solution I found that most answers given were about double mine, as in 10.48m instead of 5.41m. After trying this answer, I found it was also wrong.

Any help would be appreciated.
 
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Looks like the correct method you have probably messed up the calculations somewhere.

You have PE as m g s sin(th), but you are given the vertical height.
Did you get the normal force right for the friction?
 
I drew a Free Body Diagram along the ramp, so friction is pointing down the negative x-axis, the normal is perpendicular to the motion along the positive y-axis, and the weight is pointing downward at an angle of 45 in the fourth quadrant (below positive x-axis and to the right of the negative y-axis). This diagram leaves me with a component of weight in the x and y direction and the Fnet equations:

(Fnet)x: Wx - f = M * a
(Fnet)y: n - Wy = 0 => n = Wy => n = Wcos(theta) = > m * g * cos(45)

Then I found the work using those Fnet equations. Maybe I drew my FBD wrong?
 
You only need a FBD for the friction, remember frictional force acts along the surface (ie the hypotonuse of the triangle in this case) and F = coef * force.NORMAL to the surface

For the PE you are probably making it too complicated.
The vertical height is 2m so the PE is just = 0.2 * 9.8 *2 (the slope doesn't matter)
 
So the work done by friction would be 4.12J in that case, leaving me with of a Wnet of 10.70J - 4.12J = 6.58J, correct? From there I would just get the velocity as before and plug it into those kinematic equations to get distance?

If I do that, I get a new distance of 3.32m, although I'm not entirely sure if it should be smaller than before. I might still be messing up the calculations somewhere...
 
Length of slope = 2m / cos(45) = 2.828m (hint cos(45) = sqrt(2)/2 )
Normal force = m g cos(45) = 0.1414 * 9.8N = 1.4N

So energy lost to friction = 0.21 * 1.4N * 2.83m = 0.82J
 

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