Finding Center of Mass for Composite Shapes

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The discussion revolves around finding the center of mass for composite shapes, specifically focusing on integrating mass elements and considering the effects of cut-outs on the overall center of mass.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss integrating mass elements to determine the center of mass, with some uncertainty about the correct approach for irregular shapes. Others suggest a conceptual method involving treating cut-outs as 'negative' masses to influence the center of mass location.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different methods for finding the center of mass. Some guidance has been offered regarding alternative approaches that do not rely solely on integration, and there is a recognition of the conceptual idea of treating cut-outs as negative masses.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the integration process and the specific characteristics of the shape in question, which may affect their calculations and assumptions.

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Homework Statement


http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=d277r7r_60c2235gfg

Homework Equations


[tex] <br /> M(Rcm)=\int(rdm)<br /> [/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



Okay, so I've figured out that I have to integrate the radii by the mass element dm, which in this case would be p, because that's the mass/unit area? I think that's right, but even there I'm not sure and the actual integral itself I have no idea how to do for such a weird shape.
 
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Darkalyan said:

Homework Statement


http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=d277r7r_60c2235gfg


Homework Equations


[tex] <br /> M(Rcm)=\int(rdm)<br /> [/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



Okay, so I've figured out that I have to integrate the radii by the mass element dm, which in this case would be p, because that's the mass/unit area? I think that's right, but even there I'm not sure and the actual integral itself I have no idea how to do for such a weird shape.
I wouldn't integrate if I were you. There's a way to know where's the center of mass without much mathematics. Thinking is more powerful than mathematics, sometimes.
 
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Hmm. Could I take the center of mass of the entire circle, assuming there's no cut outs. Then I take the center of mass of the cut-outs, and pretend they act like 'negative' masses, so instead of having the centerr of mass of the composite system get closer to them, they are farther away? So basically pretend this is a 3 particle system and combine the locations of the center of masses, but assume the cutouts have 'negative' masses, so they push away the center of mass instead of bringing it closer?
 
Darkalyan said:
Hmm. Could I take the center of mass of the entire circle, assuming there's no cut outs. Then I take the center of mass of the cut-outs, and pretend they act like 'negative' masses, so instead of having the centerr of mass of the composite system get closer to them, they are farther away? So basically pretend this is a 3 particle system and combine the locations of the center of masses, but assume the cutouts have 'negative' masses, so they push away the center of mass instead of bringing it closer?
Exactly.
 

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