Finding Coefficients in Partial Fraction Decomposition

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The discussion revolves around finding coefficients in partial fraction decomposition, particularly in the context of integration problems. Participants share challenging integration problems, explore potential solutions, and discuss the nature of certain integrals, including the use of elementary functions and special functions like the Error Function.

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  • Some participants suggest various challenging integration problems, including integrals involving exponential functions and square roots.
  • There is uncertainty about whether certain integrals can be expressed using only elementary functions, with some participants proposing that the Error Function may be necessary for specific cases.
  • One participant believes that a specific integral can be solved using elementary functions, while another expresses doubt about this assertion.
  • Participants discuss the integration of the function \(\sqrt{\frac{x+k}{x}}\) and its relation to elliptic integrals and imaginary units.
  • There are claims about the correctness of calculations related to the integration of \(\sqrt{\frac{x+k}{x}}\), with one participant suggesting a method to input the integral into WolframAlpha for better results.
  • Discrepancies in results from different participants' calculations are noted, prompting requests for verification of the calculations.

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Participants express differing views on the solvability of certain integrals using elementary functions, and there is no consensus on the correctness of specific calculations or methods. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of the integrals and their solutions.

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Some calculations depend on specific assumptions about the constants involved, and there are unresolved mathematical steps in the integration processes discussed. The discussion also highlights the potential for varying interpretations of the results from computational tools.

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Hi,

I am an engineering student and I have so far taken Calc 1 & 2 and Ordinary differential equations. I need some online links to question papers. I am looking for some challenging/difficult level questions.

Thanks.
 
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You could probably just ask here, and people would be glad to give you questions. I like this one:

[tex]\int \frac{dx}{1 - x^4}[/tex]

But I'm not sure if you'd consider that challenging.
 
All the fun integration problems I have found

http://www.2shared.com/document/9GniS_-6/Integrals_from_R_to_Z.html

Easy is Calc1
Medium is Calc2
Hard is Real analysis/complex analysis and beyond.

Some of my favs, difficulty varies greatly.

[tex]\int (1+2x)e^{x^2} \text{dx}[/tex]

[tex]\int_{-1}^{1} \sqrt{\cos(x)+1} \text{dx}[/tex]

[tex]\int \frac{1}{\ln(x)} - \frac{1}{\ln(x)^2} \text{dx}[/tex]

[tex]\int e^{\sqrt{x}} \text{dx}[/tex]

[tex]\int e^{e^x+x} \text{dx}[/tex]

[tex]\int_{1}^{e^{\pi}} \sin(\ln(x)) \text{dx}[/tex]

[tex]\int \sqrt{\frac{x+k}{x}} \text{dx}[/tex]

[tex]\int \frac{x e^{2x}}{(2x+1)^2} \text{dx}[/tex]

[tex]\int \frac{ 3^x \cdot 2^x }{ 9^x - 4^x } \text{dx}[/tex]

[tex]\int_{0}^{\pi/2} \sqrt{\tan(x)} \text{dx}[/tex]
 
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Nebuchadnezza said:
All the fun integration problems I have found

http://www.2shared.com/document/9GniS_-6/Integrals_from_R_to_Z.html

Easy is Calc1
Medium is Calc2
Hard is Real analysis/complex analysis and beyond.

Some of my favs, difficulty varies greatly.

[tex]\int (1+2x)e^{x^2} \text{dx}[/tex]

Are you sure the first one can be written only by using elementary functions? I can't come up with a solution that doesn't include the Error Function
[tex]Erf(x)=\frac{2}{\sqrt{\pi}}\int e^{-x^2}dx[/tex]
 
3.1415926535 said:
Are you sure the first one can be written only by using elementary functions? I can't come up with a solution that doesn't include the Error Function
[tex]Erf(x)=\frac{2}{\sqrt{\pi}}\int e^{-x^2}dx[/tex]

I believe he intended to write (1+2x2)ex2, which I believe does have a solution in the elementary functions.
 
Char. Limit said:
I believe he intended to write (1+2x2)ex2, which I believe does have a solution in the elementary functions.

I believe so too
\begin{array}\\\int (1+2x^2)e^{x^2}dx=\int e^{x^2}dx+\int 2x^2e^{x^2}dx=\int x'e^{x^2}dx+\int 2x^2e^{x^2}dx=xe^{x^2}-\int 2x^2e^{x^2}dx+\int 2x^2e^{x^2}dx=xe^{x^2}\end{array}
 
You are correct, sorry for the confusion =)
 
Nebuchadnezza said:
You are correct, sorry for the confusion =)

I think there is a problem with [tex]\int \sqrt{\frac{x+k}{x}}dx[/tex] too
The answer of Wolfram includes the Elliptic Integral of Arcsinhx and the imaginary unit [tex]i=\sqrt{-1}[/tex] even when k=1
 
It is not an easy problem by far, but doable. I have the complete solution for it though.
A protip is to change all the constants to n in WolframAlpha, otherwise it thinks you are dealing with a multivariable function.

Here is the correct input.

[PLAIN]http://www3.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP316419feh8a930dhc4b500003a38eb6h7bb163fh?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=18&w=470&h=53.jpg
 
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Nebuchadnezza said:
It is not an easy problem by far, but doable. I have the complete solution for it though.
A protip is to change all the constants to n in WolframAlpha, otherwise it thinks you are dealing with a multivariable function.

Here is the correct input.

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=integrate+sqrt((x+n)/x)+dx

Sorry, my mistake. I forgot to enter a parenthesis
 
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I, too, noticed that

[tex]\int \sqrt{\frac{x+k}{x}} \, dx[/tex]

is a family of elementary functions.
 
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I noticed my answer, and the answer from wolfram alpha varies.

Could anyone check my calculations?

[tex]\int {\sqrt {\frac{{x + n}}{x}} dx} = \int {u \cdot dx} = \int {u \cdot } \left( { - \frac{{2n \cdot u}}{{{{\left( {{u^2} - 1} \right)}^2}}}du} \right) = - 2n\int {\frac{{{u^2}}}{{{{\left( {{u^2} - 1} \right)}^2}}}du}[/tex]

[tex]{u^2} = \frac{{x + n}}{x} \Leftrightarrow {u^2} \cdot x - x = n \Leftrightarrow x\left( {{u^2} - 1} \right) = n \Leftrightarrow x = \frac{n}{{{u^2} - 1}}[/tex]

[tex]2u{\rm{ du}} = - \frac{n}{{{x^2}}}dx,dx = - \frac{{2u \cdot {x^2}}}{n}du = - \frac{{2n \cdot u}}{{{{\left( {{u^2} - 1} \right)}^2}}}du[/tex]

[tex]G\left( u \right) = \frac{{{u^2}}}{{{{\left( {{u^2} - 1} \right)}^2}}} = \left[ {\frac{{{u^2}}}{{{{\left( {u - 1} \right)}^2}{{\left( {u + 1} \right)}^2}}} = \frac{A}{{u - 1}} + \frac{B}{{{{\left( {u - 1} \right)}^2}}} + \frac{C}{{u + 1}} + \frac{D}{{{{\left( {u + 1} \right)}^2}}}} \right][/tex]

[tex]\lim_{u \to -1} {\left( {u + 1}\right)^2} G\left( { u} \right) \Rightarrow \left[ {\frac{1}{4} = D} \right] \; \; {\text{ and }} \; \; \lim_{u \to 1} {\left( {u - 1} \right)^2} G\left( u \right) \Rightarrow \left[ {\frac{1}{4} = B} \right][/tex]

[tex]\frac{{{u^2}}}{{{{\left( {u - 1} \right)}^2}{{\left( {u + 1} \right)}^2}}} = \frac{A}{{u - 1}} + \frac{1}{{4{{\left( {u - 1} \right)}^2}}} + \frac{C}{{u + 1}} + \frac{1}{{4{{\left( {u + 1} \right)}^2}}}[/tex]

[tex]G\left( 2 \right) = \left[ {\frac{4}{9} = A + \frac{1}{4} + \frac{1}{3}C + \frac{1}{{36}}} \right],G\left( { - 2} \right) = \left[ {\frac{4}{9} = - \frac{1}{3}A + \frac{1}{4} - C + \frac{1}{{36}}} \right][/tex]

[tex]I = \frac{1}{6} = A + \frac{1}{3}C \qquad , \qquad II = \frac{1}{6} = - \frac{1}{3}A - C[/tex]

[tex]I + 3 \cdot II \Leftrightarrow \frac{1}{6} + \frac{1}{2} = A - A - 3C + \frac{1}{3} \Leftrightarrow \frac{4}{6} = - \frac{8}{3}C \Leftrightarrow C = - \frac{1}{4}[/tex]

[tex]I \Leftrightarrow \frac{1}{6} = A + \frac{1}{3}\left( { - \frac{1}{4}} \right) \Leftrightarrow A = \frac{2}{{12}} + \frac{1}{{12}} \Leftrightarrow A = \frac{1}{4}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{{{u^2}}}{{{{\left( {{u^2} - 1} \right)}^2}}} = \frac{1}{{4\left( {u - 1} \right)}} + \frac{1}{{4{{\left( {u - 1} \right)}^2}}} - \frac{1}{{4\left( {u + 1} \right)}} + \frac{1}{{4{{\left( {u + 1} \right)}^2}}}[/tex]

[tex]\int {\sqrt {\frac{{x + n}}{x}} dx} = - 2n\int {\frac{{{u^2}}}{{{{\left( {{u^2} - 1} \right)}^2}}}du} = - 2n\int {\frac{1}{{4\left( {u - 1} \right)}} + \frac{1}{{4{{\left( {u - 1} \right)}^2}}} - \frac{1}{{4\left( {u + 1} \right)}} + \frac{1}{{4{{\left( {u + 1} \right)}^2}}}du}[/tex]

[tex]\int {\frac{1}{{4{{\left( {u - 1} \right)}^2}}}} du = \frac{1}{4}\int {\frac{1}{{{{\left( k \right)}^2}}}dk = \frac{1}{4}\left( { - \frac{1}{k}} \right)} = - \frac{1}{4}\frac{1}{{\left( {u - 1} \right)}} + R[/tex]

[tex]\int {\frac{1}{{4{{\left( {u + 1} \right)}^2}}}} du = \frac{1}{4}\int {\frac{1}{{{{\left( v \right)}^2}}}dv = \frac{1}{4}\left( { - \frac{1}{v}} \right)} = - \frac{1}{4}\frac{1}{{\left( {u + 1} \right)}} + T[/tex]


[tex]\int {\sqrt {\frac{{x + n}}{x}} dx} = - 2n\left[ {\frac{1}{4}\ln \left| {u - 1} \right| - \frac{1}{4}\frac{1}{{\left( {u - 1} \right)}} - \frac{1}{4}\ln \left| {u + 1} \right| - \frac{1}{4}\frac{1}{{\left( {u + 1} \right)}}} \right][/tex]

[tex]\int {\sqrt {\frac{{x + n}}{x}} dx} = \frac{1}{2}n\left[ { - \ln \left| {u - 1} \right| + \frac{1}{{u - 1}} + \ln \left| {u + 1} \right| + \frac{1}{{u + 1}}} \right][/tex]

[tex]\int {\sqrt {\frac{{x + n}}{x}} dx} = \frac{1}{2}n\left[ {\frac{{2u}}{{{u^2} - 1}} + \ln \left| {\frac{{u + 1}}{{u - 1}}} \right|} \right] + W \qquad \text{where} \qquad u = \sqrt {\frac{{x + n}}{x}}[/tex]

[tex]\underline{\underline {\int {\sqrt {\frac{{x + n}}{x}} dx} = x\sqrt {\frac{{x + n}}{x}} + \frac{1}{2}n\ln \left| { - \frac{2}{n}x\left( {1 + \sqrt {\frac{{x + n}}{x}} } \right) - 1} \right| + W}}[/tex]
 
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Nebuchadnezza said:
I noticed my answer, and the answer from wolfram alpha varies.

Could anyone check my calculations?


[tex]A=-1/4[/tex] and [tex]C=1/4[/tex], not the other way around(I think)

\begin{array}\\\frac{u^2}{(u-1)^2(u+1)^2}=\frac{A}{u+1}+\frac{B}{(u+1)^2}+\frac{C}{u-1}+\frac{D}{(u-1)^2}\Leftrightarrow u^2=(Au+A)(u-1)^2+B(u-1)^2+(Cu-C)(u+1)^2+D(u+1)^2\Leftrightarrow\\
(Au+A)(u^2-2u+1)+B(u^2-2u+1)+(Cu-C)(u^2+2u+1)+D(u^2+2u+1)-u^2=0\Leftrightarrow\\
(Au^3-2Au^2+Au+Au^2-2Au+A)+(Bu^2-2Bu+B)+(Cu^3+2Cu^2+Cu-Cu^2-2Cu-C)+(Du^2+2Du+D)-u^2=0\Leftrightarrow\\
u^3(A+C)+u^2(-A+B+C+D-1)+u(-A-2B-C+2D)+(A+B-C+D)=0\\
\begin{Bmatrix}
A& +& C& &=0 \\
-A& +B& +C& +D&=1 \\
-A& -2B& -C& 2D&=0 \\
A& +B & -C & +D&=0
\end{Bmatrix}\Leftrightarrow
\begin{Bmatrix}
A& =-C& & & \\
-A& +B& -A& +D&=1 \\
-A& -2B& +A& +2D&=0 \\
A& +B & +A & +D&=0
\end{Bmatrix}\Leftrightarrow
\begin{Bmatrix}
A& =-C& & & \\
-2A& +B & &+D &=1 \\
& -2B& & +2D&=0 \\
2A& +B & & +D&=0
\end{Bmatrix}\\
\begin{Bmatrix}
A& =-C& & \\
-2A& +2B & &=1 \\
B& =D& & \\
2A& +2B & &=0
\end{Bmatrix}\Rightarrow 4B=1\Leftrightarrow B=\frac{1}{4}=D\\
\begin{Bmatrix}
A& =-C& & \\
B& =D& =\frac{1}{4}& \\
2A& +\frac{1}{2} & &=0
\end{Bmatrix}\Rightarrow A=-\frac{1}{4}, C=\frac{1}{4}\end{array}
 
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