Finding constants in exponential functions

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The discussion revolves around finding constants in an exponential growth function modeling population changes over a decade. The original poster presents data from 2000 and 2010, seeking to determine the constants A and k in the equation P(t) = Aekt.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the population at different times and the exponential model. They discuss the elimination of A by dividing equations and question the correctness of their steps in deriving k and A.

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Some participants have offered guidance on clarifying the relationship between A and the population at t=0, while others suggest simplifying the problem by working in units of millions. There is an acknowledgment of potential errors in calculations, but no consensus has been reached on the final values of A and k.

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Participants note confusion regarding the calculations and the significance of the exponential function at t=0. There is mention of a possible typographical error in one of the calculations that may have contributed to the misunderstanding.

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Homework Statement


In 2000 the population of a country was estimated to be 8.23 million. In 2010 the population was 9.77 million.

Assume that the number of people P(t) in millions at time t (in years since 2000) is modeled by the exponential growth function.

P(t) = Aekt

Find P(t) giving the two constants in it to 2 significant figures.

Homework Equations


P(t) = Aekt

The Attempt at a Solution



P(0) = 8.23x106 so Ae0k= 8.23x106

P(10) = 9.77x106 so Ae10k= 9.77x106Divide to eliminate A:
Ae0k= 8.23x106 / Ae10k= 9.77x106 = e0k-10k= 8.23x106 / 9.77x106 = e-10 k = 8.23x106 / 9.77x106
(I am not certain that this step is right)

-10k = ln 8.23x106 / 9.77x106

k = 0.01917945693

To find A:
Ae10k= 9.77x106
Ae10*0.01917945693= 9.77x106
A = 9.77x106 / e10*0.01917945693 = 8064904.714

These values for k and A seem to produce 9.77x106 when 10 (years) is plugged into the function, however I can't seem to produce 8.23x106 at 0 years since 2000 and I can't seem to see why, any help would be much appreciated!
 
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LivvyS said:

Homework Statement


In 2000 the population of a country was estimated to be 8.23 million. In 2010 the population was 9.77 million.

Assume that the number of people P(t) in millions at time t (in years since 2000) is modeled by the exponential growth function.

P(t) = Aekt

Find P(t) giving the two constants in it to 2 significant figures.

Homework Equations


P(t) = Aekt

The Attempt at a Solution



P(0) = 8.23x106 so Ae0k= 8.23x106

P(10) = 9.77x106 so Ae10k= 9.77x106


Divide to eliminate A:
Ae0k= 8.23x106 / Ae10k= 9.77x106 = e0k-10k= 8.23x106 / 9.77x106 = e-10 k = 8.23x106 / 9.77x106

(I am not certain that this step is right)

-10k = ln 8.23x106 / 9.77x106

k = 0.01917945693

To find A:
Ae10k= 9.77x106
Ae10*0.01917945693= 9.77x106
A = 9.77x106 / e10*0.01917945693 = 8064904.714

These values for k and A seem to produce 9.77x106 when 10 (years) is plugged into the function, however I can't seem to produce 8.23x106 at 0 years since 2000 and I can't seem to see why, any help would be much appreciated!

The trick is to remember what the value of the exponential is when t = 0. What is exp(0)? If you know what the population is at t=0, how is this related to A?
 
Thanks for the reply!

So if the exponent of e is 0 then P(0) = A*1 so A = 8.23x106
But if this were true than the answer for a I calculated cannot be right, if so could you give me a clue as to what's wrong with it?
 
Method is right, something goes wrong from -10k = ln 8.23x106 / 9.77x106 ⇒k = 0.01917945693

(you typed ... instead of ...)
 
LivvyS said:

Homework Statement


In 2000 the population of a country was estimated to be 8.23 million. In 2010 the population was 9.77 million.

Assume that the number of people P(t) in millions at time t (in years since 2000) is modeled by the exponential growth function.

P(t) = Aekt

Find P(t) giving the two constants in it to 2 significant figures.

Homework Equations


P(t) = Aekt

The Attempt at a Solution



P(0) = 8.23x106 so Ae0k= 8.23x106

P(10) = 9.77x106 so Ae10k= 9.77x106Divide to eliminate A:
Ae0k= 8.23x106 / Ae10k= 9.77x106 = e0k-10k= 8.23x106 / 9.77x106 = e-10 k = 8.23x106 / 9.77x106
(I am not certain that this step is right)

-10k = ln 8.23x106 / 9.77x106

k = 0.01917945693

To find A:
Ae10k= 9.77x106
Ae10*0.01917945693= 9.77x106
A = 9.77x106 / e10*0.01917945693 = 8064904.714

These values for k and A seem to produce 9.77x106 when 10 (years) is plugged into the function, however I can't seem to produce 8.23x106 at 0 years since 2000 and I can't seem to see why, any help would be much appreciated!

It is much, much easier just to work in units of millions, so that your two equations are
A = 8.23 \; \text{and}\; A e^{10 k} = 9.77
By choosing those new units you eliminate a lot of the clutter and make it much easier to see what is happening (and to find errors). You can always convert to other units later, after you have solved the problem.
 
Poster had everything OK until he typed 997 instead of 977
 

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