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The discussion revolves around calculating the minimum density required for two identical spheres, each with a diameter of 8.55m, to ensure that the gravitational force between them equals the weight of one of the spheres. The context is grounded in gravitational physics and involves the application of Newton's law of universal gravitation.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of gravitational equations and the calculation of mass and volume to derive density. There are attempts to verify calculations and explore the implications of the results, particularly regarding the unexpectedly high density values.

Discussion Status

Several participants have shared their calculations and expressed skepticism about the high density required. Some have confirmed the correctness of the calculations, while others have questioned the assumptions leading to such large density values, particularly in relation to the gravitational constant.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of achieving gravitational forces comparable to Earth's acceleration, highlighting the implications of the small value of the gravitational constant in their calculations.

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Homework Statement


Two identical spheres of diameter 8.55m are on the surface of the earth. The spheres are touching each other. What is the minimum density the spheres must have such that the gravitational force between them is at least equal to the weight of one of the spheres.


Homework Equations



F= m1*a = (G*m1*m2)/(r^2)
Newtons law of universal gravitation.

The Attempt at a Solution


I used the value for the acceleration of the Earth and multiplied it by the square of the radius between the spheres then divided the result by G to obtain m the mass m of one of the spheres was then divided by the volume of the sphere calculated from ((4/3)*Π*r^3) though this gave a value too high for the density of the sphere the value was like 3*10^10 kg/(m^3) higher than even the density of the planet is there any other insight to an attempt or solution to this problem it would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Tiven white said:

Homework Statement


Two identical spheres of diameter 8.55m are on the surface of the earth. The spheres are touching each other. What is the minimum density the spheres must have such that the gravitational force between them is at least equal to the weight of one of the spheres.

Homework Equations



F= m1*a = (G*m1*m2)/(r^2)
Newtons law of universal gravitation.

The Attempt at a Solution


I used the value for the acceleration of the Earth and multiplied it by the square of the radius between the spheres then divided the result by G to obtain m the mass m of one of the spheres was then divided by the volume of the sphere calculated from ((4/3)*Π*r^3) though this gave a value too high for the density of the sphere the value was like 3*10^10 kg/(m^3) higher than even the density of the planet is there any other insight to an attempt or solution to this problem it would be greatly appreciated.

Your answer is in the right ballpark and I think you are doing the right thing, but I don't think it's quite right. Can you show your work. The density will have to be huge? Gravity is a very weak force.
 
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OK so where a= (G*m)/(r^2)
9.81 = ((6.67*10^-11)*(m)) / (8.55^2)
So (9.81)*( 8.55^2)/(6.67*10^-11) = m
So m = 1.08 * 10^13 kg


V =( 4/3)*(3.14)*(8.55/2)^3
V = 3.27 * 10^2 (m^3)
So density = (1.08* 10^13) ÷(3.27*10^2)
This implies the density =( 3.3 * 10^10 kg/m^3)
 
Could u verify the working as u had asked.for.a sample of the calculations
 
Tiven white said:
OK so where a= (G*m)/(r^2)
9.81 = ((6.67*10^-11)*(m)) / (8.55^2)
So (9.81)*( 8.55^2)/(6.67*10^-11) = m
So m = 1.08 * 10^13 kg


V =( 4/3)*(3.14)*(8.55/2)^3
V = 3.27 * 10^2 (m^3)
So density = (1.08* 10^13) ÷(3.27*10^2)
This implies the density =( 3.3 * 10^10 kg/m^3)
Looks right.
 
haruspex said:
Looks right.

I agree. I was forgetting to divide the diameter by 2 to get the radius.
 
So I was skeptical about why the spheres had to have such a huge density could I hear an explanation why
 
Tiven white said:
So I was skeptical about why the spheres had to have such a huge density could I hear an explanation why

It's what I said in the first response. It's because G is so small. It's so small it's difficult to even measure using laboratory scale objects, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_constant#History_of_measurement It shouldn't be surprising that to get an amount of acceleration comparable to the acceleration produced by the whole Earth you'd need a lot of mass. Hence huge density.
 

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