Which points in the domain of f are differentiable and what is their derivative?

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The discussion focuses on determining the differentiable points of the function f defined on the interval [0, ∞) and identifying its derivative at those points. It is established that differentiability can be assessed by examining where the derivative f'(x) equals zero, particularly within the defined intervals of the function. The concept of "inner points" is clarified as interior points, specifically those greater than zero. Participants emphasize the importance of using the limit definition of the derivative to confirm differentiability, particularly at points where the left-hand and right-hand limits of the derivative do not match. The conversation highlights the need for precise definitions and careful analysis of the function's behavior near critical points.
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Homework Statement



Let f be ##f:[0,\infty]\rightarrow \mathbb R
\\
f(x):=
\begin{cases}
e^{-x}sin(x), \ if \ \ x\in[2k\pi,(2k+1)\pi] for \ a \ k \in \mathbb N_0 \\
0 \ \ otherwise\\
\end{cases}##

Exercise: Determine all inner points of the domain where f is also differentiable and determine f' at these points.

The Attempt at a Solution


Idea:

Since we only need to look at inner differentiable points, we can look at points all points where f'(x) = 0. These are the only differentiable points because this is where the second case of f is a constant i.e. f'(x') = 0 for all x' in the second case. So we need to look for the points in the first case, where f'(x'')=0 and x'' is in these closed intervals for the first case. These are the differentiable inner points.

If I am on the right track, then I am wondering how I could find all of the points where that is valid for the first case of f.
 
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mk9898 said:

Homework Statement



Let f be ##f:[0,\infty]\rightarrow \mathbb R
\\
f(x):=
\begin{cases}
e^{-x}sin(x), \ if \ \ x\in[2k\pi,(2k+1)\pi] for \ a \ k \in \mathbb N_0 \\
0 \ \ otherwise\\
\end{cases}##

Exercise: Determine all inner points of the domain where f is also differentiable and determine f' at these points.

The Attempt at a Solution


Idea:

Since we only need to look at inner differentiable points, we can look at points all points where f'(x) = 0. These are the only differentiable points because this is where the second case of f is a constant i.e. f'(x') = 0 for all x' in the second case. So we need to look for the points in the first case, where f'(x'')=0 and x'' is in these closed intervals for the first case. These are the differentiable inner points.

If I am on the right track, then I am wondering how I could find all of the points where that is valid for the first case of f.

By "inner point" do you mean an interior point of the domain, i.e., not on a boundary?
I am not sure what you mean by ##N_0## either. I am assuming whole numbers.

Anyway, it appears that the function is defined for non-negative reals so a point x is interior if x > 0. All you need to do is figure out at what points ##lim_{x\to0^+}f'(x)\neq lim_{x\to0^-}f'(x)##. All other x > 0 are differentiable points.
 
Yes inner point = interior point. N_0 is natural numbers + 0.

I thought that all points that fulfill ##\lim_{x \to 0} f'(x) = 0## are the differentiable points?
 
Could you also explain, why I should only consider as x ->0 and not other values?
 
mk9898 said:
Could you also explain, why I should only consider as x ->0 and not other values?
Sorry, I wrote that incorrectly. What I meant to say was, the non-differentiable points will be the values ##x'## such that
##lim_{x\to x'^+}f'(x)\neq lim_{x\to x'^-}f'(x)##.
 
tnich said:
Sorry, I wrote that incorrectly. What I meant to say was, the non-differentiable points will be the values ##x'## such that
##lim_{x\to x'^+}f'(x)\neq lim_{x\to x'^-}f'(x)##.
I'm a little uncomfortable with that, too, since it assumes a derivative exists over some ball about x', except for maybe at x' itself. So a better test would be one using the definition of derivative:
##f'(x) \equiv lim_{Δx\to0} \frac {f(x+Δx) - f(x)}{Δx}##
So if you can show
##lim_{Δx\to0^+} \frac {f(x+Δx) - f(x)}{Δx} = lim_{Δx\to0^-} \frac {f(x+Δx) - f(x)}{Δx}##
then ##f(x)## is differentiable at ##x##.
 
Question: A clock's minute hand has length 4 and its hour hand has length 3. What is the distance between the tips at the moment when it is increasing most rapidly?(Putnam Exam Question) Answer: Making assumption that both the hands moves at constant angular velocities, the answer is ## \sqrt{7} .## But don't you think this assumption is somewhat doubtful and wrong?

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