Finding distance and angle of crash between plane and rocket

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The problem involves a military test scenario where an unmanned spy plane and a rocket collide in mid-air. The spy plane is traveling north at a certain altitude and speed, while the rocket is traveling east. The objective is to determine the distance and angle at which they hit the ground relative to the point of impact.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the initial velocity and the time it takes for the plane to fall to the ground. There is a debate about the correct application of the equations of motion, particularly regarding the use of the quadratic formula and the components of motion in different directions.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on simplifying the problem by focusing on the vertical motion separately from the horizontal motion. There is an ongoing exploration of the assumptions made in the calculations, particularly regarding the initial vertical velocity and the effects of gravity.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem involves a specific altitude and speeds for both the plane and the rocket, which may influence the calculations. There is also mention of the need to consider the horizontal and vertical components of motion separately due to the nature of the crash dynamics.

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Homework Statement


In a military test, a 575 unmanned spy plane is traveling north at an altitude of 2700 and a speed of 450 . It is intercepted by a 1280 rocket traveling east at 725 .

If the rocket and the spy plane become enmeshed in a tangled mess, where, relative to the point of impact, do they hit the ground? Give the direction as an angle east of north.


Homework Equations


F = ma
p = sqrt((m_1v_1)^2+(m_2v_2)^2)
vinitial = p/sum of m
sf = si + vi*t +1/2a*t^2


The Attempt at a Solution


I found Vinital by doing v = p/m, and got 519.352 m/s.

then i plugged that value into yf = yi + vi*t + 1/2a*t^2, and using yf = -2700.

then i used the quadratic formula to solve for t, and using the negative root (because of logistics) and ended up with t = 4.966 seconds.
then plugged that into xf = xi + vi*t, and ended up with 2.58 km.
the answer should be 12.2 km. so, I'm not sure what I am doing incorrectly.
 
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jheld said:

Homework Statement


In a military test, a 575 unmanned spy plane is traveling north at an altitude of 2700 and a speed of 450 . It is intercepted by a 1280 rocket traveling east at 725 .

If the rocket and the spy plane become enmeshed in a tangled mess, where, relative to the point of impact, do they hit the ground? Give the direction as an angle east of north.


Homework Equations


F = ma
p = sqrt((m_1v_1)^2+(m_2v_2)^2)
vinitial = p/sum of m
sf = si + vi*t +1/2a*t^2


The Attempt at a Solution


I found Vinital by doing v = p/m, and got 519.352 m/s.

then i plugged that value into yf = yi + vi*t + 1/2a*t^2, and using yf = -2700.

then i used the quadratic formula to solve for t, and using the negative root (because of logistics) and ended up with t = 4.966 seconds.
then plugged that into xf = xi + vi*t, and ended up with 2.58 km.
the answer should be 12.2 km. so, I'm not sure what I am doing incorrectly.


There is no quadratic. There is merely the time for it to fall from 2700 m

2700 = 1/2*(9.8)*t2

It's this time times your horizontal velocity that determines how far away.
 
Okay, I understand that in doing this, you get the 12.2 km, but isn't the equation:
yfinal = yinital + vinitial*t + 1/2*a*t^2?
so why cut off part of the equation?

thanks for the help
 
jheld said:
Okay, I understand that in doing this, you get the 12.2 km, but isn't the equation:
yfinal = yinital + vinitial*t + 1/2*a*t^2?
so why cut off part of the equation?

thanks for the help

Strictly speaking the the plane and missile are in a horizontal x,y plane. Whatever velocity they have is not in the z-axis (up/down). Since there are no components of velocity from the crash in the z direction your initial z-velocity is 0, but it is the only component subject to gravity.

Hence the equation devolves into the simple z = 1/2*g*t2
 

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