Relative Motion in 2D - a plane & wind speed.

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The discussion revolves around calculating the wind speed affecting a plane flying at an airspeed of 620 km/h on a course of 20° east of north to reach a destination 1085 km north. The participants clarify calculations, correcting a misunderstanding regarding the northward component of velocity, which is determined to be 542.5 km/h. The wind speed is ultimately calculated as -42.7 km/h, indicating a headwind, after determining the actual distance flown using Pythagorean theorem principles. The conversation emphasizes the importance of accurate vector analysis in relative motion problems.

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Homework Statement


A plane attains an airspeed of 620 km/hr. The plane sets out for a destination 1085 km to the north (a 0° course) but discovers that the plane must be headed 20° east of north to fly there directly. The plane arrives in 2.00 h.

What is the wind speed?
What is the direction of the wind?

Homework Equations



Vf = Vi + a*t
x = vi*t + 0.5a*t^2
vf^2 = vi^2 + 2a*x
V in x-dir'n = |Vi|cosΘ
V in y-dir'n = |Vi|sinΘ

The Attempt at a Solution



I found the north component of velocity as 1850km/2.00h = 542.5km/h

But after that I am completely lost.

Then, I think to find the direction of the wind u need inverse-tan of the y-dir'n velocity & x-dir'n velocity of the wind? But I can't do that without getting the first part first.

Please, help. Thx.
 
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by the way 1850km/2.00h = 542.5m/s is not right...
1850km/2.00h = 542.5m/H... you need use hour
then do this 545.5-620=-74.5km/h (wind speed)
the wind must be negative
 
Newton V said:
by the way 1850km/2.00h = 542.5m/s is not right...
1850km/2.00h = 542.5m/H... you need use hour
then do this 545.5-620=-74.5km/h (wind speed)
the wind must be negative

Ah, yes, that was a typo. I meant to say 542.5km/h. Thx for pointing out my mistake.

Btw, in your calculation of wind speed you subtracted 620km/h from 545.5km/h... It's supposed to be 542.5km/h, right? Then that means wind speed is -77.5km/h??
 
yeah...sorry i am doing so many problems...
 
also please consider the type of air plant... because sometime negative diraction wind actually giving the force to air plane...
 
Not so fast there Amelia Earhart.

It's true that the plane had to fly a longer distance, but the wind speed would have been -77 if the pilot had stayed on a totally Northern course. But he didn't.

Draw a picture and along his flight heading he went in the air 1240km, but he ended up only 1085 km due north.

What wind vector would produce that result?
 
Ok, so I found his NE distance to be 1154.6km by Pythagoras.
Then: 1154.6km / 2.00h = 577.3km/h (the speed due NE).

Next: 577.3km/h - 620km/h = -42.7km/h as the wind speed... but it's WRONG. What am I doing wrong?
 
where you get 1154.6?
 
1850/2=542.5? it is 1085
 
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canucklehead said:
Ok, so I found his NE distance to be 1154.6km by Pythagoras.
Then: 1154.6km / 2.00h = 577.3km/h (the speed due NE).

Next: 577.3km/h - 620km/h = -42.7km/h as the wind speed... but it's WRONG. What am I doing wrong?

For one thing the hippopotamus is 1240 for your distance vector on the N-20-E heading. 2 hours at 620km/h = 1240.

Then during the time of his flight the wind moved the plane to the North axis.

What is that distance?

That distance divided by the 2 hours is your average wind speed in km/h.
 

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