Finding divF and curl F for F = r/r

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The problem involves finding the divergence and curl of the vector field F defined as F = r/r, where r is the position vector in three-dimensional space. The discussion centers around the mathematical operations required to compute these quantities, particularly focusing on the use of partial derivatives and the application of the product rule.

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  • Participants discuss the computation of partial derivatives and the application of the product rule in the context of the divergence and curl of the vector field. There are questions about the correct interpretation of the vector notation and the steps involved in differentiation.

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Some participants have offered insights into the differentiation process, while others are exploring the implications of their calculations. There is an acknowledgment of potential errors in the original poster's approach, and one participant indicates they have resolved their confusion regarding the differentiation steps.

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There are mentions of formatting issues with LaTeX and the clarity of notation, which may affect the understanding of the problem. The original poster notes that their answer was deemed incorrect, prompting further discussion on the differentiation process.

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Homework Statement


F = \frac{<b>r</b>}{r}

Find divF
and curl F

Homework Equations


r = x\widehat{i} + y\widehat{j} + z\widehat{k}

r = \sqrt{(x^{2} + y^{2} + z^{2})}

The Attempt at a Solution




F = \frac{x}{(\sqrt{x^{2} + y^{2} + z^{2}})}\widehat{i} + \frac{y}{(\sqrt{x^{2} + y^{2} + z^{2}})}\widehat{j} + \frac{z}{(\sqrt{x^{2} + y^{2} + z^{2}})}\widehat{k}


div F = \frac{\partial}{\partial x} (x(x^{2} + y^{2} + z^{2})^{\frac{-1}{2}} + \frac{\partial}{\partial y}(y(x^{2} + y^{2} + z^{2})^{\frac{-1}{2}} + \frac{\partial}{\partial z}(z(x^{2} + y^{2} + z^{2})^{\frac{-1}{2}}

Take the partial derivative of x first.

let u = x^{2} + y^{2} + z^{2}
and a = xu^{2}

\frac{\partial u}{\partial x} = 2x
\frac{\partial a}{\partial u} = \frac{-1}{2}xu^{\frac{-3}{2}}

\frac{\partial a}{\partial x} = -x^{2}u^{\frac{-3}{2}}
= -x^{2}(\frac{1}{\sqrt{(x^{2} + y^{2} + z^{2})}})^{3}

The other derivatives would give similar answers, and the final answer would be

-\frac{x^{2}}{r^{3}}-\frac{y^{2}}{r^{3}}-\frac{z^{2}}{r^{3}}

This is apparently the incorrect answer, can anybody help?
 
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The three parts that didnt come up are partial derivatives; du/dx da/du and da/dx

And the r as the numerator in the first equation is meant to be in bold to denote that it is a vector.
 
Hi ineedmunchies! :smile:

(here's √ and ² and ∂ for you to copy-and-paste
oh … and tags like B don't work in LaTeX
hmm … nice LaTeX apart from that, though! :smile:)
ineedmunchies said:
let u = x^{2} + y^{2} + z^{2}
and a = xu^{2}

\frac{\partial u}{\partial x} = 2x
\frac{\partial a}{\partial u} = \frac{-1}{2}xu^{\frac{-3}{2}}

ooooh … this is horrible … can't look … need air:cry:

Just use r² = x² + y² + z², so 2r∂r/∂x = … ? :smile:
 
hmmm sorry where are you getting 2r∂r/∂x from?
 
ineedmunchies said:
hmmm sorry where are you getting 2r∂r/∂x from?

Differentiating r² with respect to x. :smile:

(Chain rule: ∂r²/∂x = dr²/dr ∂r/∂x = 2r ∂r/∂x.)

(Can you read r² on your computer? if not, it's supposed to be r^2. :redface:)
 
ah actually never mind, I've worked it out. I had left out part of the product rule in my differentiation. I would post the full worked solution but its quite long and the forums seem to be running slow for me today.
 

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