Finding E-field within a semiconductor.

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The discussion revolves around finding the electric field (E-field) within a semiconductor defined by a piecewise charge density function. Participants explore the implications of the charge distribution on the E-field in different regions, specifically for the intervals -Xo < x < 0 and 0 < x < Xo. The context includes mathematical reasoning and application of Gauss's law.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using the divergence of the electric field, ∇·E = ρ/ε, to derive the E-field in the specified regions.
  • Another participant suggests that the E-field should be an increasing function of x when ρ1 is positive, but questions arise regarding the slope and direction of the E-field.
  • There is a discussion about the sign of the E-field, with one participant asserting that the E-field points to the left due to the charge distribution, while another participant expresses confusion over the sign in their equations.
  • Participants debate the correct application of boundary conditions to find the constant in the E-field equations, with one participant noting that their expressions do not yield zero at the boundaries as expected.
  • There are concerns about whether the unit vector notation is being used correctly in the context of the equations presented.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the direction of the E-field in relation to the charge distribution, leading to further clarification on the expected behavior of the E-field.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to correctly interpret the divergence equation without introducing unnecessary negative signs before solving for E.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct expressions for the E-field, as there are multiple interpretations of the charge distribution and its effects on the E-field direction and magnitude. Disagreements persist regarding the application of boundary conditions and the correct use of unit vectors.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential issues with the assumptions made regarding the direction of the E-field and the interpretation of the divergence equation. There are also unresolved questions about the integration process for finding the potential, particularly in relation to the unit vector notation.

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Homework Statement


rho(x) = 0 for x >= Xo and x <= -Xo
rho(x) = ρ1 for 0< x < Xo
rho(x) = -ρ1 for -Xo < x < 0.

The last two rho's are constants.

Electric field = 0 for x> Xo and x < -Xo.
Find E for -Xo< x < Xo

Homework Equations



I used the ∇. E = ρ / epsilon

The Attempt at a Solution



Since it is ρ1 when x> 0 and -ρ1 when x< 0, I split it into two equations.

I get x hat partial d/dx dotted with E -x hat = ρ1/ epsilon.
So I got E(x) = x(ρ1/epsilon) + C. Do I plug in the rightmost boundary of Xo where E = 0 to find C? If so, I got the whole E-field for 0 < x < Xo to be (ρ1/epsilon) [Xo - x]

Is my second equation correct:

using the same ideas, x hat partial d/dx dotted with E -x hat = -ρ1 /epsilon. I use the condition that E(-Xo) = 0 and I get the equation of

E-field for -Xo < x < 0: E = (ρ1/ epsilon)[x- Xo].

E-field for 0< x < Xo: E = (rho1 / epsilon)[Xo-x]
Thanks for any responses!
 
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datran said:

Homework Statement


rho(x) = 0 for x >= Xo and x <= -Xo
rho(x) = ρ1 for 0< x < Xo
rho(x) = -ρ1 for -Xo < x < 0.

The last two rho's are constants.

Electric field = 0 for x> Xo and x < -Xo.
Find E for -Xo< x < Xo

Homework Equations



I used the ∇. E = ρ / epsilon

The Attempt at a Solution



Since it is ρ1 when x> 0 and -ρ1 when x< 0, I split it into two equations.

I get x hat partial d/dx dotted with E -x hat = ρ1/ epsilon.
So I got E(x) = x(ρ1/epsilon) + C. Do I plug in the rightmost boundary of Xo where E = 0 to find C?
Looks good so far. Note that E is an increasing function of x here, provided that ρ1 is positive.
If so, I got the whole E-field for 0 < x < Xo to be (ρ1/epsilon) [Xo - x]
Not quite. You get the correct E=0 at x=x0, but now E has a negative slope. This is easily fixed.

Is my second equation correct:

using the same ideas, x hat partial d/dx dotted with E -x hat = -ρ1 /epsilon. I use the condition that E(-Xo) = 0 and I get the equation of

E-field for -Xo < x < 0: E = (ρ1/ epsilon)[x- Xo].
Slight problem: when x= -x0 -- that's negative x0 -- your expression is not zero.

EDIT ADDED:
Another thing to check in your final expressions: you have a negatively charged region to the left of a positively charged region. Therefore, which way should E point within the charged regions? Does this match up with your expressions? (I.e., your expressions are either positive if you think it's a rightward-pointing field or they are negative if it's a leftward-pointing field.)
 
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Thanks for replying!

Since it is ρ1 when x> 0 and -ρ1 when x < 0 the E-field is pointing to the left.
In my standard coordinate system, that means the E-field should be negative.

When 0 < x < Xo,

is it correct to state that (x hat partial d/dx)(-x hat E) ? is equal to ρ1 / epsilon?

I am confused whether I have the correct vector E with the right unit vector.

In doing so, I still arrive to the same conclusion (by plugging in that E(Xo) = 0 to be
E(x) = (ρ1/epsilon)(Xo-x).

So you're saying since the E-field is pointing to the left, therefore this quantity should be negative, but it isn't right? I don't know what I'm missing then.

The second part where -Xo < x < 0.

I used the same equation as previous except exchange ρ1 with -ρ1 and used E(-Xo) = 0
and got that E(x)= (ρ1/ epsilon)(x+Xo). This is 0 at the -Xo boundary, but again, E-field is pointing to the right
However, through inspection because of the negatively charged to the left and positively charged to the right, it should be pointing to the left (negative) rather than to the right (positive).

Once again, thanks for the help!

EDIT: If I don't incorporate the direction of x hat in the del . E = ρ /epsilon,

I get E(x) = (ρ1/epsilon) (x-xo) where 0<x<xo
and E(x) = (-ρ1/epsilon)(x+xo) where -xo<x<0.

The second part of the question says to find the potential of V(xo) given that V(-xo) = 0.

I used the equaiton V(xo) - V(-xo) = - integral E . dl

and split it into two integrals from -xo to 0. But in this E, I incorporated E as integral(E -x hat . x hat dx)
and added it to the second part using the same negative x hat. Am I using the unit vector correctly in these parts?

Thanks!
 
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datran said:
Thanks for replying!

Since it is ρ1 when x> 0 and -ρ1 when x < 0 the E-field is pointing to the left.
In my standard coordinate system, that means the E-field should be negative.
Yes, correct :smile:
When 0 < x < Xo,

is it correct to state that (x hat partial d/dx)(-x hat E) ? is equal to ρ1 / epsilon?
Not quite. Why are you putting a minus sign in here? You had it right in your first post,

∇·E = ρ/ε

so

∂E/∂x = ρ1

There is no minus sign here. The negative comes into play after you solve this equation and have a final expression to look at. Then you can check whether that expression is negative.

I am confused whether I have the correct vector E with the right unit vector.
You have the correct unit vector x_hat. It is a one-dimensional problem, depending on x and not on y or z. x_hat is the only unit vector that is needed here.

In doing so, I still arrive to the same conclusion (by plugging in that E(Xo) = 0 to be
E(x) = (ρ1/epsilon)(Xo-x).

So you're saying since the E-field is pointing to the left, therefore this quantity should be negative, but it isn't right?
Correct, that is what I'm saying. You got a positive value for E, that's how you can tell that something went amiss.

You were on the right track earlier, when you got

E(x) = x(ρ1/epsilon) + C

But the algebra got messed up when you tried to find C, so you just need to redo that part.

The second part where -Xo < x < 0.

I used the same equation as previous except exchange ρ1 with -ρ1 and used E(-Xo) = 0
That's right. Except that you should use

∇·E = ρ/ε = -ρ1

and got that E(x)= (ρ1/ epsilon)(x+Xo). This is 0 at the -Xo boundary, but again, E-field is pointing to the right
However, through inspection because of the negatively charged to the left and positively charged to the right, it should be pointing to the left (negative) rather than to the right (positive).

Once again, thanks for the help!
You're welcome.
 

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