Finding E(X) from distribution function

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The discussion centers around the theorem related to the expected value E(X) derived from the distribution function F(x) of a random variable X. Participants explore the validity of the theorem for various values of a, particularly when a is less than zero, and the computational utility of the theorem compared to traditional methods of finding expected values through density functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Post 1 questions whether the theorem holds true for any real number a, specifically for a<0, and asks about the computational usefulness of the formula compared to integrating the density function.
  • Post 2 suggests that if there were restrictions on a, they would be stated in the theorem, implying that the theorem should hold for negative values of a as well.
  • Post 3 presents an alternative formula for E(X) that applies in a broader context, including cases where distributions lack densities, and questions if this supports the validity of the original theorem for a<0.
  • Post 4 reiterates the alternative formula and expresses a belief that the original theorem is true for any value of a, seeking confirmation from others.
  • Post 5 encourages proving the theorem by manipulating the general formula provided, indicating that it is not a difficult task.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of the theorem for negative values of a, with some asserting its validity while others seek clarification. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the general acceptance of the theorem for all real numbers a.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the assumptions underlying the theorem, particularly concerning the value of a and its implications for the expected value calculation. The discussion also touches on the limitations of the theorem in relation to distributions without density functions.

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Theorem: Let F(x) be the distribution function of X.
If X is any r.v. (discrete, continuous, or mixed) defined on the interval [a,∞) (or some subset of it), then
E(X)=

∫ [1 - F(x)]dx + a
a

1) Is this formula true for any real number a? In particular, is it true for a<0?

2) When is this formula ever useful (computationally)? Why don't just get the density function then integrate to find E(X)?

Thanks for clarifying!
 
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1) If there was a restriction on a, the statement of the theorem should have said something. If the statement is right for positive a, then it's surely right for negative a as well.

2) Why would you go through all the trouble of looking for the density distribution*, multiplying by x, and integrating that when you could just use that formula? :confused:


*: The hypotheses cover the situation where the density cannot be written as a function[/size]
 
The formula for general RV X is [tex]EX = -\int_{-\infty}^{0} F(x) dx + \int_{0}^{\infty} (1 - F(x)) dx[/tex]. This formula works in a much more general setting than you might expect. Some distributions don't have densities (singular distributions), for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantor_distribution but the formula still applies.
 
Mandark said:
The formula for general RV X is [tex]EX = -\int_{-\infty}^{0} F(x) dx + \int_{0}^{\infty} (1 - F(x)) dx[/tex]. This formula works in a much more general setting than you might expect. Some distributions don't have densities (singular distributions), for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantor_distribution but the formula still applies.

I've seen this general formula. But does it imply that the "theorem" above is true for a<0 (e.g. a=-2, or a=-2.4) as well? I've done some manipulations and I think the theorem above is true for ANY a, but I would like someone to confirm this.

Thanks!
 
Try to prove it by manipulating the general formula I posted, it's not hard.
 

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