Finding eigenvalues and eigenvectors for a polynomial transformation

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The discussion revolves around finding eigenvalues and eigenvectors for a polynomial transformation defined on the space of cubic polynomials, specifically the operator T(p)(x) = p'(x) + 2p(x). Participants express challenges in applying linear algebra concepts to polynomial functions and seek clarification on how to approach the problem.

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  • Participants discuss the need to solve the equation p'(x) + 2p(x) = λp(x) and question how to identify suitable polynomials for this task. There is uncertainty about the role of λ and the use of standard basis vectors in the context of polynomial transformations. Some participants suggest finding a basis for the polynomial space and applying the operator T to those basis vectors to construct a matrix representation.

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Several participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring different interpretations and approaches. Guidance has been offered regarding the construction of a matrix representation and the selection of basis vectors, though there remains a lack of consensus on the best method to proceed with the polynomial transformation.

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Some participants note constraints such as limited exposure to differential equations and express confusion about transforming polynomials into a matrix form without specific examples. There is also mention of a related question involving verification of an eigenvector condition with a different transformation.

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Hi,

So for some reason I have the hardest time trying to work with polynomials in linear algebra. I can't explain it, but whenever I see a question I draw a complete blank.

Question: i) Find all the eigenvalues. ii) for each eigenvalue λ, find a basis of the eigenspace Eλ.

T: P3(R) --> P3(R) defined by T(p)(x) = p'(x) + 2p(x)

So this is all I'm given. My question is what polynomials do I use to find the eigenvalues, and once I find those eigenvalues how do I find the eigenvectors? I'm inclined to try and solve it like eigenvector problems with matrices, problem is I don't know how to put this into a matrix.
 
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trap101 said:
Hi,

So for some reason I have the hardest time trying to work with polynomials in linear algebra. I can't explain it, but whenever I see a question I draw a complete blank.

Question: i) Find all the eigenvalues. ii) for each eigenvalue λ, find a basis of the eigenspace Eλ.

T: P3(R) --> P3(R) defined by T(p)(x) = p'(x) + 2p(x)

So this is all I'm given. My question is what polynomials do I use to find the eigenvalues, and once I find those eigenvalues how do I find the eigenvectors? I'm inclined to try and solve it like eigenvector problems with matrices, problem is I don't know how to put this into a matrix.

You need to solve the problem p'(x) + 2p(x) = \lambda p(x), and the solution must be a polynomial.

RGV
 
Ray Vickson said:
You need to solve the problem p'(x) + 2p(x) = \lambda p(x), and the solution must be a polynomial.

RGV

But what am I solving for? it can't be for lambda. In simple algebra I would have the polynomial and solve for "x". Do I use the standard basis vectors?
 
trap101 said:
But what am I solving for? it can't be for lambda. In simple algebra I would have the polynomial and solve for "x". Do I use the standard basis vectors?

In this case you are solving a first-order linear differential equation that happens to have a parameter, λ, in it. In other words, you need to find the function p(x).

RGV
 
Oh, I should mention that I haven't done differential equations yet at my Uni. Only have Calc courses and Linear Algebra part I.

What I wanted to do was solve it as if it was searching for an eigenvector but with matrices. But an issue I always have is I don't know how to transform the polynomial into a matrix, expecially when I'm not given a specific polynomial.
 
trap101 said:
problem is I don't know how to put this into a matrix.

What is the basis for your space? HINT: you need to find 4 polynomials, such that any cubic polynomial can be expressed as their sum. There are many possible choices, but probably only a few natural ones.

Okay assuming you can answer that question here is how you would find a matrix representation for the operator. Say the basis is e_i for i = 1 ... 4.

Define the vectors v_j as

v_j = T (e_j)

So above line means you take your polynomials that you chose as your basis, and you apply the operator T to them which amounts to adding twice the polynomial to its own derivative.

Now since v_j must be cubic polynomials, you must be able to express them uniquely in the basis you chose. Say this representation is
v_j = b_{1j}e_1 + b_{2j}e_2 + b_{3j}e_3 + b_{4j}e_4
Your matrix is now given by T_{ij} = b_{ij}
 
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Ahhh. Thank you. So to build on that question, because it always seems to pop up in some fashion or another. If I'm not given any vectors that I have to specifically apply my linear transformation to, should I just assume that I can use the standard basis vectors? Because my troubles always occur when I don't know what vectors should be chosen.

The reason I ask is because there is a similar question where i have to verify that the given vector is an eigenvector:

p = x3 ...under the same P3 conditions, but defined by: T(x) =
xp' - 4p. Now the eigenvector condition is T(x) = λx. So do I use the standard basis vectors of P3 in that transformation and try to obtain the λ that would prove this?
 
It shouldn't matter what intermediate basis you work in. When you re-express the eigen-vectors as polynomials they should be the same no matter what basis you chose. If an eigen-space for a particular eigen-value had dimension greater than 1, then the individual polynomials you get might be different but collectively they should span the same space.
 
Thanks. I'm going to give this all a try, hopefully there won't be any problems
 

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