Finding force from momentum vector

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The discussion revolves around finding the force vector from a momentum vector in a physics context. The original poster attempts to differentiate the momentum vector and relates it to the force vector, noting an angle of 45 degrees between them. There is a focus on the relationship between force, momentum, and time.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss differentiating the momentum vector and the implications of the angle between force and momentum. There are questions about the calculations involved, particularly regarding the time variable and the dot product. Some participants suggest alternative methods for approaching the problem.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing their calculations and questioning the complexity of their results. There is an exploration of different methods to simplify the problem, but no consensus has been reached on a definitive approach or solution.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the information they can share or the methods they can use. There is a discussion about the alignment of vectors and the implications of their orientations in the coordinate system.

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Homework Statement
The momentum of a particle is P vector=##\vec A##+(##\vec B##×##t^2##),where ##\vec A## and ##\vec B## are constant perpendicular vectors.The force acting on the particle when its acceleration is at 45° with its velocity is
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F=dP/dt
I calculated force vector by differentiating momentum vector.Since acceleration and velocity vectors are at45°,therefore force and momentum vector are at 45°.But i am not able to find the time at which it will take place.I tried F vector.P vector=FPcos45° but i am not getting from it.I also used that Avector.B vector=0.Help please.
 
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what did you get for force when you differentiated
##
\vec P = \vec A + \vec B t^2
##
and what did you get when you subbed it into this
##
|\vec P||\vec F|cos 45 = \vec F . \vec P
##

edit i did not try the first method
i was wondering
##
\hat A , \hat B

##
be the coordinate axis and since the force always aligned to one of them ...
this method seems lot faster than doing dot product
 
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timetraveller123 said:
what did you get for force when you differentiated
##
\vec P = \vec A + \vec B t^2
##
and what did you get when you subbed it into this
##
|\vec P||\vec F|cos 45 = \vec F . \vec P
##

edit i did not try the first method
i was wondering
##
\hat A , \hat B

##
be the coordinate axis and since the force always aligned to one of them ...
this method seems lot faster than doing dot product
I got ##\vec F##=2##\vec B##t
And by doing ##\vec F##.##\vec P## , a cubic power of t was coming and it was becoming complicated so i need help for the dot product.
And can you explain me which faster method are you talking about.
 
Physics lover said:
I got ##\vec F##=2##\vec B##t
And by doing ##\vec F##.##\vec P## , a cubic power of t was coming and it was becoming complicated so i need help for the dot product.
And can you explain me which faster method are you talking about.
well you know the force is always aligned with ##\vec B## and b and a are perpendicular so you can just call a the y-axis and b the x-axis so the force always points in the x-axis and is growing linearly in time
and for the momentum it starts out in the y-axis since at t=0 it is just a and as time increases it gets more and more component in the x-axis it becomes flatter and flatter and at some point it needs to be 45 degrees to the x axis(force ) what does that imply about the momentum at that point

for dot product
##
\vec F = 2t \vec B\\
\vec P = \vec A + \vec B t^2\\
\vec F . \vec P = 2t^3 |B|^2 = \sqrt{A^2 + t^2 B^2}2t|B|\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}
##
many things cancel out
 

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