Finding Fraction Field of Z[1/2]

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The discussion revolves around finding the fraction field of the ring Z[1/2], exploring the relationships between integral domains and their fraction fields. Participants also consider similar concepts in relation to Z[1/3].

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the fraction field of Z[1/2] is \mathbb{Q}.
  • Others discuss the general principle that if R is an integral domain and Q is its fraction field, then for any S such that R ⊆ S ⊆ Q, the fraction field of S is also Q.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the relationships between integral domains and fraction fields.
  • There is a question about whether the principle mentioned is a theorem.
  • Another participant suggests that the same principle applies to Z[1/3].
  • One participant asks for the name of the theorem to look up its proof.
  • Another participant mentions the definition of a fraction field for an integral domain.
  • A challenge is posed to prove that the fraction field Q of an integral domain A is the smallest field containing A.
  • One participant notes a potential issue with the notation used in the proof challenge.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the fraction field of Z[1/2] is likely \mathbb{Q}, but there is uncertainty regarding the formalization of the theorem and its proof. The discussion includes multiple viewpoints and remains unresolved on certain aspects.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions and relationships between concepts, as well as the formalization of the theorem mentioned. Some participants express uncertainty about the proof and its implications.

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How would I go about finding the fraction field of Z[1/2]?
 
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Uuh, wouldn't that just be [itex]\mathbb{Q}[/itex]?

In general, if R is an integral domain, and if Q is it's fraction field, then, if

[tex]R\subseteq S\subseteq Q[/tex]

then the fraction field of S is Q.
 
Yes, that's right -- I guess I don't fully understand how all of these things relate (integral domains, fraction fields, etc)
 
How did you get that so quickly?
 
Metric_Space said:
How did you get that so quickly?

Uuuh, intuition I guess? After a lot of practising, these things come fast...
 
micromass said:
Uuh, wouldn't that just be [itex]\mathbb{Q}[/itex]?

In general, if R is an integral domain, and if Q is it's fraction field, then, if

[tex]R\subseteq S\subseteq Q[/tex]

then the fraction field of S is Q.

Is this a theorem then?
 
It could be, yes...
 
What about Z[1/3]?
 
Doesn't the same theorem apply here?
 
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yes, you're right
 
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micromass said:
It could be, yes...

do you know the name of this theorem so I could look it up and see the proof?
 
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Uuh, I don't know any books that contain the proof. But the proof is a very good exercise. Why not try it for yourself? What do you know about fraction fields? Do you have characterizations for them?
 
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Just know the definition :

Fraction field for integral domain = {a/b | a, b are elements of D, b not equal to zero}
 
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Can you prove that the fraction field Q of an integral domain A is the smallest field that contains A?

I.e. Assume that K is a field such that

[tex]A\subseteq K[/tex]

then

[tex]Q\subseteq K[/tex]

Start by showing this...

Edit: I might have take [itex]\subseteq[/itex] a bit too liberal in the last equation. Formally, there only exists an injective ring morfism [itex]Q\rightarrow K[/itex]. But I see that as the same thing as a subset...
 

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