Finding Hydrogen eigenfunction u(2,0)

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the hydrogen eigenfunction \( u_{n}^{l=n-2} \) as presented in the context of quantum mechanics, specifically referencing the work of James Binney. Participants explore the derivation process, normalization, and potential discrepancies between personal calculations and the textbook results.

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  • One participant presents a derivation for \( u_{n}^{l=n-2} \) using an operator \( A_{n-2} \) and expresses confusion over a discrepancy with the textbook result when substituting \( n = 2 \).
  • Another participant clarifies that the equation being used is specific to the radial wavefunction for \( l = n - 1 \) and suggests that to find \( u_{n}^{l=n-2} \), one must apply the operator \( A^{\dagger} \) to \( u_{n}^{l=n-1} \).
  • There is a confirmation that applying \( A^{\dagger} \) to \( u_{n}^{l=n-1} \) should yield \( u_{n}^{l=n-2} \), indicating a method to derive the desired eigenfunction.
  • A participant acknowledges missing a crucial detail in the textbook and successfully recalculates the eigenfunction after applying the suggested method.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial derivation, but there is agreement on the method of applying \( A^{\dagger} \) to obtain the eigenfunction for \( l < n - 1 \). The discussion reflects a mix of confusion and clarification regarding the derivation process.

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Some participants note differences in their copies of the textbook, which may affect interpretations of the equations. There is also mention of specific conditions under which the equations apply, particularly regarding the angular momentum states.

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Readers interested in quantum mechanics, particularly those studying hydrogen atom wavefunctions and the application of ladder operators in quantum systems, may find this discussion relevant.

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Taken from Physics of Quantum Mechanics, by James Binney.

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I try to calculate ##u_{n}^{l=n-2}##, something goes wrong:

Starting, we define operator A by:

[tex]A_{n-2} = \frac{a_0}{\sqrt 2}\left(\frac{i}{\hbar}p_r + \frac{1-n}{r} + \frac{Z}{(n-1)a_0}\right)[/tex]

Substituting ##p_r = -i\hbar (\frac{\partial}{\partial r} + \frac{1}{r})##:

[tex]A_{n-2} = \frac{a_0}{\sqrt 2}\left( \frac{\partial}{\partial r} + \frac{2-n}{r} + \frac{Z}{(n-1)a_0}\right)[/tex]

Thus, we want to solve:

[tex]\left(\frac{\partial}{\partial r} + \frac{2-n}{r} + \frac{Z}{(n-1)a_0} \right) u_{n}^{l=n-2} = 0[/tex]

Solving by integrating factor method, we obtain:

[tex]u_n^{l=n-2} = A r^{n-2} e^{\frac{Z}{(n-1)a_0}r}[/tex]

Normalizing,

[tex]u_n^{l=n-2} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{[2(n-1)]!}} \left(\frac{2Z}{(n-1)a_0}\right)^{\frac{3}{2}} \left(\frac{2Z}{(n-1)a_0}\right)^{n-2} e^{-\frac{Z}{(n-1)a_0}r}[/tex]

This is similar to ##u_n^{l=n-1}##, simply replace n by n-1:

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But when I substitute n = 2, so l = 0, I get ##u_2^0 = \frac{1}{\sqrt 2} \left(\frac{2Z}{a_0}\right)^{\frac{3}{2}} e^{-\frac{Z}{a_0}r}##

I get a completely different result from the book:

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I'm not sure what's wrong with my derivation?
 
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The copy of Binney I'm looking at is slightly different from yours, so bear with me, but the equation you're trying to use,

An-1|n, n-1> = 0

is only for (as he says) "the radial wavefunction of the circular orbit with angular momentum ℓ = n - 1." That is, it gives the wavefunctions along the diagonal in Table 8.1. To get the other wavefunctions you need to start with one of these wavefunctions and one or more times apply A. This will step you up in the table, along one of the columns.

"Applications of A should generate the wavefunctions for ℓ < n - 1."
 
Bill_K said:
The copy of Binney I'm looking at is slightly different from yours, so bear with me, but the equation you're trying to use,

An-1|n, n-1> = 0

is only for (as he says) "the radial wavefunction of the circular orbit with angular momentum ℓ = n - 1." That is, it gives the wavefunctions along the diagonal in Table 8.1. To get the other wavefunctions you need to start with one of these wavefunctions and one or more times apply A. This will step you up in the table, along one of the columns.

"Applications of A should generate the wavefunctions for ℓ < n - 1."

Ah, so by applying A to ##u_n^{l=n-1}## it will give ##u_n^{l=n-2}##?
 
unscientific said:
Ah, so by applying A to ##u_n^{l=n-1}## it will give ##u_n^{l=n-2}##?
That's my understanding. Try it and see!
 
Bill_K said:
That's my understanding. Try it and see!

It's mentioned right below the screenshot, I can't believe I missed it..

I tried it, and normalized and it came out right!
 

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