Finding instantaneous velocity at given points on nonlinear graph

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves estimating the instantaneous velocity of a train at specific points on a nonlinear graph, with the Y-axis representing distance in meters and the X-axis representing time in seconds. The graph includes several points, and the original poster is particularly interested in the values at 2.0s and 4.0s.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster expresses uncertainty about how to find instantaneous velocity and mentions difficulty with the concept of estimating the slope of a tangent line on the graph. Participants suggest using a ruler to draw a tangent line and question how to approach the problem more effectively.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various interpretations of the instantaneous velocity at the specified points, with some participants suggesting that the velocity is zero at 4.0s based on the graph's characteristics. There is ongoing inquiry into how to determine this value accurately, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of a visual representation of the graph, which complicates the discussion. The original poster references previous questions related to distance and average speed, suggesting a broader context of learning about motion.

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Homework Statement


Problem is presented as a nonlinear graph. Y-axis is in meters and ranges from 0.0 to 40.0m in increments of 10m, and the X-axis is in seconds, 0.0-5.0s (increments of 1). Points on graph include (0,10), (1,~19), (2, ~23), (3, ~26), (4, ~26), and (5, ~20).

Question: "Estimate the instantaneous velocity of the train at 2.0s." (and again at 4.0s).

Homework Equations


V(av) = delta(x) / delta(t)
V(as delta(t) approaches 0) = delta(x) / delta(t).

The Attempt at a Solution


Unsure.

I understand the concept behind finding instantaneous velocity in that it's an instant measure of motion and includes a directional component, but damn if I can remember how to do it. The notes from class are a bit too complicated to be of use, and guesstimating the slope of a line tangent to x=2 isn't much help, given this graph.

Any thoughts?
 
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exi said:
guesstimating the slope of a line tangent to x=2 isn't much help, given this graph.

Any thoughts?

Do you have a copy of the graph online? You should be able to obtain a reasonable tangent by using a ruler and a pencil, and drawing your tangent onto your graph.
 
Archduke said:
Do you have a copy of the graph online? You should be able to obtain a reasonable tangent by using a ruler and a pencil, and drawing your tangent onto your graph.

I'm afraid I don't. Besides drawing in more precise increments on the axes, sketching the tangent line, and taking the slope of that where it intersects the point in question, how should I be going about this? All of the questions before that one on these notes are in reference to distance, displacement, average speed and velocity - all the usual stuff - but I'm still a little unsure as to the most efficient way to solve it.
 
well at 2s it's zero
 
ice109 said:
well at 2s it's zero

And how is that?
 
exi said:
And how is that?

im sorry i meant 4s
 
ice109 said:
im sorry i meant 4s

Alright... but how is that?
 
exi said:
Alright... but how is that?

(3, ~26), (4, ~26) because dx/dt is zero there? as in it doesn't move as in it's position doesn't change, again if i could see the graph it would be much easier to tell.

i guess it could have a steep negative slope around there somewhere.
 

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