Finding Interior Points in a Subset: Hints & Tips

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The discussion revolves around the concept of interior points within subsets of sets, particularly focusing on how to determine whether a point is an interior point and the implications of different types of sets (open, closed, etc.). The scope includes theoretical aspects and examples to illustrate the definitions and properties of interior points.

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  • One participant notes that a point is an interior point if there exists a neighborhood around it that is entirely contained within the set.
  • Another participant provides an example using the rationals as a subset of the reals, arguing that no point in the rationals can be an interior point due to the presence of irrationals in any neighborhood.
  • A participant corrects a potential misunderstanding regarding the terminology, clarifying the difference between interior points and isolated points, stating that isolated points cannot be interior points.
  • Examples are provided to illustrate that the interior points of the open interval (0, 1) are the points within that interval, while the endpoints 0 and 1 are not interior points of the closed interval [0, 1].
  • Discussion includes definitions of exterior points and boundary points, with examples illustrating how these concepts relate to open and closed sets.
  • One participant mentions that it is possible for a set to have no boundary points, which would make it both open and closed.

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Participants generally agree on the definitions of interior points, exterior points, and boundary points, but there are nuances in the examples and interpretations provided. The discussion remains somewhat unresolved regarding the implications of these definitions in various contexts.

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Some limitations include the dependence on the definitions of open and closed sets, as well as the specific examples used to illustrate the concepts. The discussion does not resolve all mathematical steps or implications related to the properties of different types of sets.

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How do you find the interior points of a subset?

I understand that a point is an interior point if there exists an epsilon neighborhood that is in the set, but I don't know how that would work with specific sets. Any hints?
 
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If you have a set X and a subset of X called Y, and one wants to know if a point p is an interior point of Y, one need only find a neighborhood of p that is contained in Y.

For example, let X = R, and Y = Q (the rationals). Take an arbitrary point p in Q and take an epsilon neighborhood around p which is contained entirely in Q, that is, p is in (p - ε, p + ε). But it is known that every interval contains an irrational number, which contradicts our assumption that the prescribed interval is in Q. Therefore, as p was arbitrary, Q has no interior points.

Without being more specific to your needs, that is the best I can say.
 
Thank you! That definitely helps!
 
Note that you titled this "isolation points" but asked about "interior points". An "isolated point" of a set cannot be an interior point.

For example, if A= (0, 1), the set of all x such that 0< x< 1, the interior points are just points in A itself. That is true because:
if x in (0, 1) then 0< x< 1. Let d1= x, d2= 1- x. If d1< d2, the neighborhood (x-d1, x+d1) is a subset of A. If d2< d1, (x-d2, x+ d2) is in A.

If A= [0, 1], the set of all x such that [itex]0\le x\le 1[/itex], the interior points are again the points in (0, 1). That's true because any neighborhood of "0", (-d, d), includes points outside A (negative numbers to -d) and any neighborhood of "1", (1-d, 1+ d), includes points outside A (numbers larger than 1 up to 1+ d) so "0" and "1", while in the set, are not interior[points].

Some other useful words: we say that point, p, is an "exterior" point of set A if and only if it is an interior point of the complement of A. The complement of (0, 1) is [tex](-\infty, 0]cup [1, \infty)[/tex] and the complement of [0, 1] is [tex](-\infty, 0)\cup (1, \infty)[/tex] both of which have [tex](-\infty, 0)\cup(1, \infty)[/tex] as interior points (so that the "exterior" points of both (0, 1) and [0, 1] are [tex](-\infty, 0)\cup (1, \infty)[/tex]. The boundary points of a set are all points that are neither "interior points" nor "exterior points" of the set. Here, the boundary points of both (0, 1) and [0, 1] are the points "0" and "1".

The difference is that those boundary points are in [0, 1] and not in (0, 1). We say that (0, 1) containing none of its boundary points, is an "open" set and [0, 1], containing all of its boundary points, is a "closed" set.

Or course, a set may contain some of its boundary points but not all. (0, 1] is an example. Since neither "none of its boundary points" nor "all of its boundary points" is true, such a set is neither open nor closed.

Although it is unusual, it is possible for a set to have NO boundary points. In that case "none" and "all" are the same, such a set is both open and closed.
 

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