Finding Jordan Normal Form for a 3x3 Matrix

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The discussion revolves around finding the Jordan normal form of a 3x3 matrix, specifically the matrix given in the problem statement. Participants are exploring the implications of eigenvalues and eigenvectors, particularly focusing on the eigenvalue -3 and its multiplicity.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of eigenvalues and eigenvectors, with one participant noting the discovery of a single eigenvector. Questions arise regarding the nullspaces of (M + 3I)^2 and (M + 3I)^3, with some suggesting that these should not be empty given the context. Others propose looking for additional vectors that satisfy certain conditions related to the matrix operations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and suggestions for recalculating certain values. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the relationships between eigenvectors and the nullspaces of the matrix transformations. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the choice of vectors for constructing the matrix P.

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Some participants express confusion over the calculations performed using software, indicating potential errors in matrix operations. There is also mention of the characteristic polynomial and its implications for the matrix's behavior, particularly regarding the eigenvalue -3 being a triple root.

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Homework Statement


Find the Jordan normal form of:
\begin{bmatrix}<br /> -2 &amp; 3 &amp; 1\\ <br /> 0 &amp; -4 &amp; -1\\ <br /> 1 &amp; 2 &amp; -3<br /> \end{bmatrix}

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I found the eigenvalues: -3 (x3)
I found a single eigenvector: [ 2 , -1 , 1 ]
But now I thought of finding the nullspaces of (M + 3I)2 and (M + 3I)3 (where is the matrix we're studying) but they're empty.

Thanks for your help.
 
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You've already shown that the nullspace of (M+3I) is not empty since you have an eigenvalue of -3. Then how can the nullspaces of (M+3I)^2 and (M+3I)^3 be empty?? That would be silly. In fact, (M+3I)^3=0 since it satisfies it's characteristic polynomial. I suggest you try that calculation again.
 
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Since -3 is a triple root, the characteristic equation must be (M+ 3)^3= 0. And, since every matrix satisfies its own characteristic equation, (M+ 3I)^3v= 0 for every vector v.
There must exist vectors, u, such that Mu= 3u and you have found one. Since the eigenvectors do not span the space, there must exist vectors, v, such that Mv is NOT 0 but (M+ 3I)^2 u= 0. Since (M+3I)0= 0 certainly, look for a vector such that (M+ 3I)v= [2, -1, 1]. Then you will have (M+ 3I)^2v= (M+ 3I)[2, -1, 1]= 0. Once you have found that v, look for w such that (M+ 3I)w= v.
 
Thanks for your replies!

Oh, this is bad. I was using Mathematica for my calculations, it turns out using 2 doesn't do a real matrix multiplication, it does a dot product or something similar. My bad...

Now I took as eigenvectors:
- (M + 3I)2 : [ 1 , 0 , 1 ]
- (M + 3I)3 : [ 0 , 0 , 1 ]
So that:
P=\begin{bmatrix}<br /> 2 &amp; 1 &amp; 0\\ <br /> -1 &amp; 0 &amp; 0\\ <br /> 1 &amp; 1 &amp; 1<br /> \end{bmatrix}

But doing P·J·P-1 ≠ M
However taking [ 1 , 0 , 0 ] instead of [ 0 , 0 , 1 ] works, why is that?
 
Bump for help! :)
 
springo said:
Bump for help! :)

I'm really not sure what your are doing. What's J? (M+3I)=0. Anything is an eigenvector of that.
 
Dick said:
I'm really not sure what your are doing. What's J? (M+3I)=0. Anything is an eigenvector of that.

J is the Jordan normal form of M and P is the matrix so that P·J·P-1 = M.
 
it's not clear to me how you got [0, 0, 1]. As I said before, you want a "v" such that (M+3i)^2v= [2, -1, 1]. That means you have to solve
\begin{bmatrix}1 &amp; 3 &amp; 1 \\ 0 &amp; -1 &amp; -1 \\ 1 &amp; 2 &amp; 0\end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}x \\ y \\ z\end{bmatrix}= \begin{bmatrix}2 \\ -1 \\ 1\end{bmatrix}.
That gives the equations x+ 3y+ z= 2 -y- z= -1, and x+ 2y= 1. The second equation is the same as z= -y+ 1 and the third is the same a x= -2y+ 1. Taking y= 0 would give v= (1, 0, 1) as you have.

Now look for u such that (M+ 3I)u= v which means you must have
\begin{bmatrix}1 &amp; 3 &amp; 1 \\ 0 &amp; -1 &amp; -1 \\ 1 &amp; 2 &amp; 0\end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}x \\ y \\ z\end{bmatrix}= \begin{bmatrix}1 \\ 0 \\ 1\end{bmatrix}.
That gives the equations x+ 3y+ z= 1, -y-z= 0. and x+ 2y= 1. The second equation is the same as z= -y and the third equation x= -2y+1. Then the first equation is satisfied for all y. If you take y= 0, you get [1, 0, 1] the same as before, but if you take y= 1, you get u= [-1, 1, -1].

Let P be the matrix having those vectors as columns,
P= \begin{bmatrix}2 &amp; 1 &amp; -1 \\ -1 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \\ 1 &amp; 1 &amp; -1\end{bmatrix}
and you will find that
P^{-1}AP= \begin{bmatrix}-3 &amp; 1 &amp; 0 \\0 &amp; -3 &amp; 1 \\ 0 &amp; 0 &amp; -3\end{bmatrix}.
 
The thing is I was taking for the first column of P, an eigenvector of M. For the second one, a vector that is the nullspace of (M+3I)2 but is not an eigenvector of M. For the third one, a vector that is in the nullspace of (M+3I)3 (which is R3) but not in the eigenspace of (M+3I)2. Isn't that a right thing to do?
I mean: (M+3I)3 = 0 so (M+3I)3·[ 0 , 0 , 1 ] = 0.
 
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