Finding Ka using a Galvanic cell and Electric Potential

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the acid dissociation constant (Ka) for a monoprotic weak acid using a galvanic cell and electric potential measurements. Participants explore the setup involving a quinhydrone electrode and an aluminum half-cell, addressing the calculations needed to derive Ka from the cell potential and the concentrations of the acid and its sodium salt.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the experimental setup, including the use of aluminum sulfate and quinhydrone, and presents the equation relating cell potential to Ka.
  • Another participant clarifies that the sodium salt refers to the salt of the acid, suggesting a connection to the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation.
  • A participant proposes using the equation [H+] = Ka [HA]/[A-] to find concentrations of the acid and its salt, raising questions about how to determine the concentration of the weak acid (HA) from the electric potential.
  • There is a suggestion that the aluminum half-cell might serve as the cathode, indicating uncertainty about the roles of the electrodes in the galvanic cell.
  • One participant emphasizes the need to use potential to find pH and notes that the masses of the acid and salt allow for molarity calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various approaches to calculating Ka, with some uncertainty about the roles of different components in the setup and how to derive necessary concentrations. No consensus is reached on the best method to proceed with the calculations or the interpretation of the experimental setup.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for assumptions regarding the volume of the solution and the interpretation of the experimental data, which remain unresolved. The relationship between the electric potential and the concentrations of the species involved is also a point of contention.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and educators involved in chemistry experiments related to acid-base equilibria, electrochemistry, and the application of the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation in practical scenarios.

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Homework Statement


Suppose you wish to determine Ka for a monoprotic weak acid of molecular mass 76.11 g/mol. The pH meter you need to use is not working. You decide to weigh out 2.28 g of the acid and 1.96 of its sodium salt and dissolve them together in water, add quinhydrone and set up a half-cell with Pt wire just as you did in this experiment. Unfortunately, the only other wire you can find is aluminum. Therefore, you prepare a .1 M solution of aluminum sulfate, create an Al3+/Al half-cell and set up a galvanic cell with the quinhydrone electrode. The standard reduction potential for the aluminum couple is -1.67 V. When you measure the cell potential, you find it to be 2.20V. From this information, calculate Ka for the weak acid.

Homework Equations


Ecell=Estd-(0.0257/n)*ln(Ka) ?
2.20v=(-1.67v+E quinhydrone cell)-(0.0257/3)*ln(Ka)

Al3+ + 3e- → Al (s) Eo=-1.67v
quinone+ 2H+ +2e- → hydroquinone ?

The Attempt at a Solution


For the E of the quinhydrone cell, would I be able to use this (given earlier in the lab)?

quinone+ 2H+ +2e- → hydroquinone Eo=.70v

And I have no idea what to do with the grams or the molar mass. All I can think of is that you could convert it into moles and somehow find the molarity from that? Assuming it's one liter? But can you do that? Can you just assume it's one liter?

And what is the "1.96 g of its sodium salt" mean? is that the aluminum sulfate?
 
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Sodium salt of the acid. Your solution contains both acid and its salt - something like mixture of acetic acid and sodium acetate. Think in terms of Henderson-Hasselbalch equation.

Nice question.
 
Hmmm so I'd use this equation?

[H+]=Ka [HA]/[A-] ?
Then to find the concentrations, could I just do...
(2.28g H+) X (1 mol/76.11 g) = .02996 mol H+ and for one liter-----> [H+]=0.02996 and
(1.96g A-) X (1 mol/76.11 g) = .02575 mol A- and so [A-]=0.02575

meaning...
0.02996=Ka [HA]/.02575 ?
But how do I find HA? I'm assuming it has something to do with the electric potential...would I use .70 for my volts for the acid half cell?
Then I know the concentration of the aluminum sulfate...and I have the acid and base concentrations...so I could just plug those into the Ecell equation and solve for [HA] then plug that into the [H+]=Ka [HA]\[A-] equation and solve for Ka?

Another question. Would the aluminum half cell be the cathode?
 
IMHO you are expected to use potential to find pH, HA and A- are known - you are told what masses were dissolved, so you can calculate molarities.
 

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