Finding Limits Using Limit Laws (Not L'Hopital's Rule)

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The discussion revolves around finding limits using limit laws, specifically avoiding L'Hopital's Rule. Participants explore various limit problems, including those involving subtraction, square roots, and trigonometric functions, while expressing doubts about their solutions and seeking clarification on their approaches.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes using the subtraction limit law for several problems, leading to results such as infinity and undefined limits.
  • Another participant suggests that the limits in questions a) and b) resemble the definition of a derivative, proposing a derivative approach to find the limits.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the limits, particularly in problem c), with one stating they computed 1/2 but are unsure about the correctness of their method.
  • For problem d), there is agreement that the limit does not exist due to differing absolute values.
  • In problem e), multiple participants note that the limit does not exist, with references to the squeeze theorem and the behavior of the sine function as x approaches 0.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the non-existence of the limit in problem d) and the application of the squeeze theorem in problem e). However, there is disagreement and uncertainty regarding the limits in problems a), b), and c), with various interpretations and methods presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention specific mathematical steps and transformations that may depend on assumptions about the functions involved. There is also a lack of consensus on the correct approach for certain limits, particularly in problems a), b), and c).

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Hey guys,

I have a couple more questions about this problem set I've been working on. I'm doubting some of my answers and I'd appreciate some help.

Question:
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For a, I used the subtraction limit lawto get lim g(x) and lim f(x) and subtracted the answers accordingly. Then I substituted h= infinity and got 0.

For b, I applied the subtraction limit law and split the limit into two, and assessed for the limit. This gave me:
√5 / 0 - √ 5 / 0 = infinity (undefined).

For c, I split up the limit again and took the limits individually; one with the radical and the other as x by itself. This gave me infinity - infinity = 0.

As for d, I got -1 and 1 due to the absolute value, which are not equal. Thus, the limit does not exist.

Finally, for e, knowing that:

$\lim_{{x}\to{0}} $ 2π / x = infinity, I applied this to the function sin(x).

This gave me:
$\lim_{{x}\to{0}} $ sin(infinity) = 1

Taking the limit gave me √x * 1 = 0.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
 
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ardentmed said:
Hey guys,

I have a couple more questions about this problem set I've been working on. I'm doubting some of my answers and I'd appreciate some help.

Question:For a, I used the subtraction limit lawto get lim g(x) and lim f(x) and subtracted the answers accordingly. Then I substituted h= infinity and got 0.

For b, I applied the subtraction limit law and split the limit into two, and assessed for the limit. This gave me:
√5 / 0 - √ 5 / 0 = infinity (undefined).

For c, I split up the limit again and took the limits individually; one with the radical and the other as x by itself. This gave me infinity - infinity = 0.

As for d, I got -1 and 1 due to the absolute value, which are not equal. Thus, the limit does not exist.

Finally, for e, knowing that:

$\lim_{{x}\to{0}} $ 2π / x = infinity, I applied this to the function sin(x).

This gave me:
$\lim_{{x}\to{0}} $ sin(infinity) = 1

Taking the limit gave me √x * 1 = 0.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

$$\lim_{h \to 0} \frac{(8+h)^{-1}-8^{-1}}{h}=\lim_{h \to 0} \frac{\frac{1}{8+h}-\frac{1}{8}}{h}=\lim_{h \to 0} \frac{\frac{8-(8+h)}{8(8+h)}}{h}=\lim_{h \to 0} \frac{\frac{-h}{8(8+h)}}{h}=\lim_{h \to 0} \frac{-1}{8(8+h)}=-\frac{1}{64}$$

For the second one:

$$\frac{\sqrt{x^2+1}-\sqrt{5}}{x-2}=\frac{(\sqrt{x^2+1}- \sqrt{5})(\sqrt{x^2+1}+ \sqrt{5})}{(x-2)(\sqrt{x^2+1}+ \sqrt{5})}=\frac{x^2-4}{(x-2)(\sqrt{x^2+1}+ \sqrt{5})}=\frac{x+2}{\sqrt{x^2+1}+ \sqrt{5}}$$

Now take the limit $x \to 2$ and you will see that it is not undefined.

For c:

$$\sqrt{x^2+x+1}-x=\frac{(\sqrt{x^2+x+1}-x)(\sqrt{x^2+x+1}+x)}{\sqrt{x^2+x+1}+x}=\frac{x+1}{\sqrt{x^2+x+1}+x}=\frac{x+1}{x \left ( \sqrt{1+\frac{1}{x}+\frac{1}{x^2}}+1 \right )}$$

Now take the limit $x \to +\infty$.

You are right that the limit of the question d does not exist.

For e,notice that the limit $\lim_{x \to 0} \sin(\frac{2 \pi}{x})$ does not exist.
 
I'm not sure if you are familiar with derivatives, but I want to point out a unique solution to a) and b) These are in a form that is awful similar to the definition of a derivative.
$$\lim_{h \to 0} \frac{f(x+h) - f(x)}{h}$$
$$\lim_{x \to a} \frac{f(x)-f(a)}{x-a}
$$a) $$\lim_{h \to 0} \frac{\frac{1}{8+h}-\frac{1}{8}}{h}$$

We can rewrite this as: $$\lim_{h \to 0} \frac{\frac{1}{x+h}-\frac{1}{x}}{h}$$ at x = 8 = $$f'(8)$$ = $$\frac{-1}{64}$$

b) $$\lim_{x \to 2} \frac{\sqrt{x^2+1}-\sqrt{5}}{x-2}$$

We can rewrite this as: $$\lim_{x \to 2} \frac{f(x)-f(a)}{x-a}$$, where x = 2
$$= f'(2) = \frac{2}{\sqrt{5}}$$
 
evinda said:
$$\lim_{h \to 0} \frac{(8+h)^{-1}-8^{-1}}{h}=\lim_{h \to 0} \frac{\frac{1}{8+h}-\frac{1}{8}}{h}=\lim_{h \to 0} \frac{\frac{8-(8+h)}{8(8+h)}}{h}=\lim_{h \to 0} \frac{\frac{-h}{8(8+h)}}{h}=\lim_{h \to 0} \frac{-1}{8(8+h)}=-\frac{1}{64}$$

For the second one:

$$\frac{\sqrt{x^2+1}-\sqrt{5}}{x-2}=\frac{(\sqrt{x^2+1}- \sqrt{5})(\sqrt{x^2+1}+ \sqrt{5})}{(x-2)(\sqrt{x^2+1}+ \sqrt{5})}=\frac{x^2-4}{(x-2)(\sqrt{x^2+1}+ \sqrt{5})}=\frac{x+2}{\sqrt{x^2+1}+ \sqrt{5}}$$

Now take the limit $x \to 2$ and you will see that it is not undefined.

For c:

$$\sqrt{x^2+x+1}-x=\frac{(\sqrt{x^2+x+1}-x)(\sqrt{x^2+x+1}+x)}{\sqrt{x^2+x+1}+x}=\frac{x+1}{\sqrt{x^2+x+1}+x}=\frac{x+1}{x \left ( \sqrt{1+\frac{1}{x}+\frac{1}{x^2}}+1 \right )}$$

Now take the limit $x \to +\infty$.

You are right that the limit of the question d does not exist.

For e,notice that the limit $\lim_{x \to 0} \sin(\frac{2 \pi}{x})$ does not exist.
For c, I computed 1/2, albeit I'm not too sure about that. I canceled out the x's first, and then substituted x-> infinity for the rest.

As for e, $\lim_{x \to 0} \sin(\frac{2 \pi}{x})$ due to squeeze theorem, where -1/x and 1/x also DNE.
 
ardentmed said:
For c, I computed 1/2, albeit I'm not too sure about that. I canceled out the x's first, and then substituted x-> infinity for the rest.

$$\lim_{x \to +\infty} \frac{x+1}{x( \sqrt{1+\frac{1}{x}+\frac{1}{x^2}}+1)}=\lim_{x \to \infty} \frac{1+\frac{1}{x}}{\sqrt{1+\frac{1}{x}+\frac{1}{x^2}}+1}=\frac{1}{2}$$

So,your result is correct! (Clapping)
 
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ardentmed said:
As for e, $\lim_{x \to 0} \sin(\frac{2 \pi}{x})$ due to squeeze theorem, where -1/x and 1/x also DNE.

For e,as you correctly mentioned,we know that:

$$-1 \leq \sin \left ( \frac{2 \pi}{x}\right ) \leq 1$$

So:
$$-\sqrt{x} \leq \sqrt{x} \sin \left ( \frac{2 \pi}{x}\right ) \leq \sqrt{x} \Rightarrow \lim_{x \to 0} -\sqrt{x} \leq \lim_{x \to 0} \sqrt{x} \sin \left ( \frac{2 \pi}{x}\right ) \leq \lim_{x \to 0} \sqrt{x} \Rightarrow 0 \leq \lim_{x \to 0} \sqrt{x} \sin \left ( \frac{2 \pi}{x}\right ) \leq 0$$

Therefore,according to the squeeze theorem:

$$\lim_{x \to 0} \sqrt{x} \sin \left ( \frac{2 \pi}{x} \right )=0$$
 

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