Finding matrices of perturbation using creation/annihilation operators

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The discussion revolves around determining the matrix representation of a perturbation operator W for a 3D harmonic oscillator, particularly in the context of using creation and annihilation operators. Participants explore the implications of using different bases and the nature of the operator in relation to energy eigenstates.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the operator W expressed in terms of creation and annihilation operators and seeks to find its matrix elements in the basis of the first excited state |1,0,0>.
  • Another participant questions the validity of using a single energy eigenstate as a basis, suggesting that an infinite number of states is necessary for a complete basis.
  • A further reply provides an alternative expression for W in terms of position operators, indicating that it originates from the electric quadrupole, and raises the question of whether to continue using creation/annihilation operators or switch to position operators.
  • Another participant comments on the potential energy nature of W, noting that it lacks a ground state due to its unbounded nature, which could lead to further implications for the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate basis for the matrix representation of W, with some advocating for the use of multiple states while others consider the implications of using a single state. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about the operator W and its dimensional analysis, as well as the implications of using different bases for the matrix representation.

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"Given a 3D Harmonic Oscillator under the effects of a field W, determine the matrix for W in the base given by the first excited level"

So first of all we have to arrange W in terms of the creation and annihilation operator. So far so good, with the result:

W = 2az2 - ax2 - ay2 + 2az+ 2 -ax+ 2 -ay+ 2 + 2{az, az+}) - {ax, ax+}) - {ay, ay+}

As for the following part, I've proceeded like this, which I'm pretty sure it's wrong at some point.

In terms of the ladder operator, I'm using the basis:
|nx, ny,nz>

With ni corresponding to the level of excitement on a certain coordinate. I have taken the first excited level to be:

|1,0,0>

I generally find the matrix elements like:

Mi,j = <i|M^|j>

So my thought has been, I have to find them in the basis |1,0,0>, let's just:

<1,0,0|W|1,0,0>

Which looks terrible because that's clearly a 1x1 "matrix".
What am I missing? Do the matrix actually correspond to |1,0,0>, |0,1,0>, |0,0,1> since all these possible combinations correspond to the first energy state? Is that simply not the basis I should be using?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Where is this from and what's the operator ##\hat{W}(\hat{x},\hat{y},\hat{z})## in terms of the position operators ##\hat{x},\hat{y},\hat{z}## ?

A single energy eigenstate (like the first excited level) obviously can't be a basis for the system, you need an infinite number of states.
 
hilbert2 said:
Where is this from and what's the operator ##\hat{W}(\hat{x},\hat{y},\hat{z})## in terms of the position operators ##\hat{x},\hat{y},\hat{z}## ?

A single energy eigenstate (like the first excited level) obviously can't be a basis for the system, you need an infinite number of states.

In terms of position operators it is:
W = 2z2 - x2 - y2
and it comes from the electric cuadrupole.

So, there's something I'm not getting right then. I'll try to translate the exercise as precisely as possible:
"Determine the matrix of W in the base given by the states of the first energy excitation". Should I do all in terms of position operators and forget about creation/annihilation operators? The previous section asked us to express it in terms of them, but this one does not explicitly tell us to use them, so maybe it's just nonsensical trying to do it like i was?
Sorry if the question seems obvious I am pretty much new at this.
 
If the ##\hat{W} = 2\hat{z}^2 - \hat{x}^2 - \hat{y}^2## is supposed to be a potential energy (you first have to multiply it with something of dimensions [energy]/[length]^2 to make it have dimensions of energy), then it doesn't have a ground state at all because the potential does not have a lower limit (it can be as negative as you want if you increase ##x## or ##y## enough). Let's see what others say about this.
 
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