Finding maximum height of an object with no acceleration or velocity provided

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The discussion centers on calculating the maximum height and initial velocity of a football kicked straight up, which lands after 5.2 seconds. The key equation for motion under gravity is applied, with the acceleration due to gravity set as -9.8 m/s². Participants emphasize the need for two equations to solve for the two unknowns: maximum height and initial velocity. The symmetry of the motion is noted, where the velocity at the peak is zero, allowing for the use of landing velocity to find the launch velocity. The correct initial velocity is determined to be approximately 25.48 m/s, resolving the problem effectively.
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Homework Statement


A football is kicked straight into up into the air; it hits the ground 5.2s later.

What was the greatest height reached by the ball? Assume its kicked from ground level.

With what speed did it leave the kicker's foot?



Homework Equations



xf=xi + (vx)i + 1/2Ax(t)^2

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried to solve by using the above formula, but had nothing to plug in for velocity, I know that g=9.8m/s, and I believe that that -g would be the acceleration of the object, but I am unsure of how to progress in the problem. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
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You have two unknowns and one equation, so you need another equation. Hint: Energy is conserved.
 
BioMan789 said:

Homework Statement


A football is kicked straight into up into the air; it hits the ground 5.2s later.

What was the greatest height reached by the ball? Assume its kicked from ground level.

With what speed did it leave the kicker's foot?



Homework Equations



xf=xi + (vx)i + 1/2Ax(t)^2

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried to solve by using the above formula, but had nothing to plug in for velocity, I know that g=9.8m/s, and I believe that that -g would be the acceleration of the object, but I am unsure of how to progress in the problem. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Welcome to Physics Forums, BioMan789.

You are correct that the acceleration is due only to gravity, so substitute -g. You have nothing to substitute for vxi because that is what you are looking for.

Do you see that you know both xf and xi? With those you have enough information to solve.

An alternate approach is to use the fact that the trip up and down are symmetrical and the velocity at the mid point is 0 m/s. If you can find the landing velocity, you also know the launch velocity.
 
We went over something similar to this in class this week. It looks to me like you'r eon the correct track with -g. You know two of three parts of the v0+at equation (with a being -g), so find the unknown (v0) and continue from there...
 
Fewmet said:
Welcome to Physics Forums, BioMan789.

You are correct that the acceleration is due only to gravity, so substitute -g. You have nothing to substitute for vxi because that is what you are looking for.

Do you see that you know both xf and xi? With those you have enough information to solve.

An alternate approach is to use the fact that the trip up and down are symmetrical and the velocity at the mid point is 0 m/s. If you can find the landing velocity, you also know the launch velocity.

When I try to solve for the velocity (Vx)i, I plug in 0 for xf (when the ball lands) and 0 for xi (assume the ball is kicked from ground level), and am left with 0=0 + (Vx)i*(5.2s) -1/2g(t^2) , then solving for x, I factored it to have -x(4.9x - 5.2)=0, and solved x, which is (Vx)i to be 1.06m/s. Apparently this is not the right answer (according to the provided answer by the physics question site). I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
 
BioMan789 said:
When I try to solve for the velocity (Vx)i, I plug in 0 for xf (when the ball lands) and 0 for xi (assume the ball is kicked from ground level), and am left with 0=0 + (Vx)i*(5.2s) -1/2g(t^2) , then solving for x, I factored it to have -x(4.9x - 5.2)=0, and solved x, which is (Vx)i to be 1.06m/s. Apparently this is not the right answer (according to the provided answer by the physics question site). I don't know what I'm doing wrong.

There is some algebra problem there that I cannot figure out. Could it be that you are treating the V and x in Vx as two variables? The symbol (Vx)i is the initial velocity in the x-direction.

You had 0=0 + (Vx)i*(5.2s) -1/2g(t2)

From that it follows that
0=(Vx)i*(5.2s) -1/2(9.8 m/s2)(5.2s2)

Solving for (Vx)i, I get 25.48 m/s.
 
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