Projectile Motion: Finding the Maximum Height of a Football

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The discussion revolves around a projectile motion problem involving a football kicked at a 38-degree angle with an initial velocity of 27.1 m/s. Participants are attempting to find the maximum height the football reaches during its flight.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of initial vertical velocity (Voy) and its implications for determining maximum height. Questions arise regarding the vertical velocity at maximum height and the significance of sign conventions in their calculations. Some participants express confusion about the relationship between initial and final velocities in projectile motion.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made progress in their calculations and have adjusted their approaches based on feedback. There is acknowledgment of the correct vertical velocity at maximum height being zero. However, discrepancies in the total hang time and horizontal distance calculations remain a point of contention, with some participants seeking further clarification.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention constraints imposed by the Lon Capa platform, which requires answers to be within specific numerical limits. There is also a discussion about the realism of the hang time provided in the problem, suggesting potential misunderstandings in the problem setup.

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A football is kicked from a tee to start the football game. If the ball is kicked at a 38 degree angle with an initial velocity of 27.1 m/s, Find the maximum height of the football as it flies through the air.

I was using these equations:
Voy = Vo(sine of theta)
Vy = Voy + at
y = 1/2(a)(t^2)

My attempt:
Voy = 27.1(sin38)
Voy = 27.1(.62)
Voy = 16.68

-16.68 = 16.68 + -9.8t
-33.36 = -9.8t
t = 3.4

y = 1/2(-9.8)(3.4^2)
y = -56.644

Lon Capa only wants a less than three digit answer, and it keeps saying that it's wrong. I've tried -56 m, 56 m, -57 m, and 57 m. Please help.
 
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Olivia Carey said:
A football is kicked from a tee to start the football game. If the ball is kicked at a 38 degree angle with an initial velocity of 27.1 m/s, Find the maximum height of the football as it flies through the air.

I was using these equations:
Voy = Vo(sine of theta)
Vy = Voy + at
y = 1/2(a)(t^2)

My attempt:
Voy = 27.1(sin38)
Voy = 27.1(.62)
Voy = 16.68
Everything seems OK to this point.
-16.68 = 16.68 + -9.8t
-33.36 = -9.8t
t = 3.4
What's the deal with the velocities here?
What is the vertical velocity of the football when it reaches its max. height above the ground?

Hint: It's not double its initial upward velocity. And why is the vertical velocity negative?
y = 1/2(-9.8)(3.4^2)
y = -56.644

Be careful with signs. Generally, a positive vertical distance means the ball is traveling above the ground.

Lon Capa only wants a less than three digit answer, and it keeps saying that it's wrong. I've tried -56 m, 56 m, -57 m, and 57 m. Please help.
Who is Lon Capa? Is he someone who hangs around your school?
 
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SteamKing said:
Everything seems OK to this point.

What's the deal with the velocities here?
What is the vertical velocity of the football when it reaches its max. height above the ground?

Hint: It's not double its initial upward velocity. And why is the vertical velocity negative?Be careful with signs. Generally, a positive vertical distance means the ball is traveling above the ground.Who is Lon Capa? Is he someone who hangs around your school?

I used the Voy that I got from the first equation, and then set Vy = -(Voy). But maybe that was wrong because I'm not looking for the final velocity of the motion, I'm looking for the velocity of the football at the max point? (is that what you were trying to say?) And the velocity at the max point is 0 m/s, correct?

Lon Capa is a website that my AP Physics teacher uses to give us homework through. You answer the question by typing the answer into a box, and you get about 8 tries. When the box goes green, you're correct, but when it goes red, you're incorrect.
 
Olivia Carey said:
I used the Voy that I got from the first equation, and then set Vy = -(Voy). But maybe that was wrong because I'm not looking for the final velocity of the motion, I'm looking for the velocity of the football at the max point? (is that what you were trying to say?) And the velocity at the max point is 0 m/s, correct?
Yes, the vertical velocity of the ball is zero when it reaches max. height.

Adjust your velocity calculations to obtain the correct time it takes the ball to go from the kicking tee to this height.
 
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SteamKing said:
Yes, the vertical velocity of the ball is zero when it reaches max. height.

Adjust your velocity calculations to obtain the correct time it takes the ball to go from the kicking tee to this height.

I did go back and set Vy = 0 m/s instead of -16.68 m/s in the second equation, and doing that, I got y to eventually equal 14. I entered the answer into Lon Capa and got it right!

There is another part to the question, if you wouldn't mind helping with it.

If the hang time of the ball (total time in the air) is 6.5 seconds, find how far the football goes.

I tried to use x = Vox(t)

Vox = 21.36 (which I found using Vox = Vo(cosine of theta), Vox = 27.1(sin38), Vox = 21.36)
x = 21.36(6.5)
x = 138

When I entered this into Lon Capa, it said it was wrong because the number was too high.
 
Olivia Carey said:
I did go back and set Vy = 0 m/s instead of -16.68 m/s in the second equation, and doing that, I got y to eventually equal 14. I entered the answer into Lon Capa and got it right!

There is another part to the question, if you wouldn't mind helping with it.

If the hang time of the ball (total time in the air) is 6.5 seconds, find how far the football goes.

I tried to use x = Vox(t)

Vox = 21.36 (which I found using Vox = Vo(cosine of theta), Vox = 27.1(sin38), Vox = 21.36)
x = 21.36(6.5)
x = 138

When I entered this into Lon Capa, it said it was wrong because the number was too high.
You've got one typo in your formula for Vox:

Vox = 27.1 * cos 38 = 21.36 m/s

Your arithmetic is correct in finding the distance the ball travels at this horizontal velocity if the total hang time is 6.5 sec. A more reasonable number is about 4.5 sec.

However, since the ball only took about 1.7 sec to reach max. height, it's not clear why the total hang time is almost four times this duration.
You should confirm the total hang time for the ball.

BTW, in actual football play, a hang time of 6.5 sec is almost unheard of, unless Superman is your kicker.

A kicker who is able to kick a football almost the length of a football field and a half would find most stadiums very confining.
 
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