Finding Modulus Relations in Equations

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The discussion revolves around methods for solving equations under modular arithmetic, specifically in the context of the Erdos-Straus Conjecture and related forms of Egyptian fractions. Participants explore various approaches to finding modulus relations and the implications of these methods on the solutions of linear and nonlinear equations.

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  • One participant seeks resources for learning about solving equations modulo a number, particularly for the case of n ≡ 2 (mod 3).
  • Another participant explains a method for solving linear systems modulo a number, emphasizing the importance of the denominator being relatively prime to the modulus for finding solutions.
  • A different participant discusses the specific case of the Erdos-Straus Conjecture, presenting various forms of equations and their simplifications, including Egyptian fractions.
  • There is mention of the Chinese Remainder Theorem as a standard method for solving multiple congruences.
  • Participants present and correct mathematical expressions related to the conjecture and Egyptian fractions, indicating the complexity and potential errors in formulations.
  • One participant notes that certain forms of the equations will not work under specific conditions, referencing Mordel's findings regarding n ≡ 1 (mod 3).

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Participants express differing views on the methods for solving modular equations and the implications of specific cases, indicating that multiple competing views remain. There is no consensus on the best approach or the validity of certain forms presented.

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Participants highlight limitations related to the conditions under which certain methods apply, such as the necessity for denominators to be relatively prime to the modulus and the challenges posed by nonlinear equations.

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Where, on the internet, can one learn the method to solving equations modulus a number? I'd like to learn the method for finding such relations as this special case for the Erdos-Straus Conjecture, with n ≡ 2 (mod 3).

Also, what is the technical name for finding the mod n relations in an equation?
 
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I'm pretty sure that you solve it in relatively the normal way. Normally, you end up with a rational number solution to a linear system. Well, over integers, modulo some number, the number in the denominator is not actually divided by in the usual way, but let's say the denominator is d, then you would find the integer q such that d*q=1 mod (whatever), and instead of dividing by d as you would in a linear system over the real numbers, over the integers modulo whatever, you would then multiply by q. The one thing to watch out for, is that if d and whatever (I should have given it a variable letter darnit) have a common factor, if they aren't relatively prime, then there will be no solution for q. But that's nothing new, that's just a new way for the determinant to be 0. So if the determinant of the matrix describing your linear relation is not just 0 as it is with linear systems over all real numbers, but any integer which has any factor in common with "whatever", then you can't solve it.

Now, if you want to solve it where each line in the linear system is modulo a different number, for instance x+3y=4 mod 5, and 2x-y=2 mod 6, then that method isn't going to work. And if it is a nonlinear equation, that is NP complete, so you'd best avoid trying unless you have a polynomial time algorithm for NP problems.
 
The reference given, as you know, completely handles the case for n==2Mod3. This comes about from the form, where( n-2)/3 is an integer. It seems possible that the form was just found by chance. \frac{4}{n} =\frac{1}{n} +\frac{1}{(n-2)/3+1}+\frac{1}{(n^2+n)/3}

Which, but not in the right form, simplifies to: \frac{4}{n}=\frac{1}{n}+\frac{3}{n+1}+\frac{3}{n^2+2}

This is a more complex form harder to find than a simpler form, which may have been a starting point for the above, \frac{2}{n} = \frac{1}{n}+\frac{1}{n+1}+\frac{1}{n^2+n}

This uses a splitting method and if length is not a problem, we could replace 1/(n+1) with 1/(n+2) + 1/(n+2)(n+3) Thus the length of the Egyptian fraction could be increased and increased, but in the case under consideration we are only interested in three term Egyptian fractions.

Maybe you want to study Egyptian fractions further, I am not exactly sure of your questions. The standard method on solving multiple congruences is the Chinese Remainder Theorem.

Now on that simple form above we can find things like 1/5=1/10+1/11+1/110. So that 2/p can always be found in three terms of an Egyptian fraction.

However, in the specialized case of 4/n dealing with 3 Egyptian fractions, Mordel has shown that certain forms will not work like the case of n==2 Mod 3. In fact, Mordel shows that n==1 Mod 3 will not work the same way so we can not rely on a similar polynominal identity for all cases.
 
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\frac{4}{n}=\frac{1}{n}+\frac{3}{n+1}+\frac{3}{n^2 +2}

The above was a mistake, and should be: \frac{4}{n}=\frac{1}{n}+\frac{3}{n+1}+\frac{3}{n^2 +n}

Here is my improvised form: \frac{4}{n} = \frac{1}{n/3}+\frac{1}{n+1}+\frac{1}{n^2+n}

Which will work as long as 3 divides n, for example= 4/15=1/5+1/16+1/240.

Now the only thing we would need to compete the problem would be to solve for n==1Mod 3, which Mordel assures us is not possible. However with a minus sign, we would have: \frac{4}{n} = \frac{1}{n} +\frac{1}{(n-1)/3}-\frac{1}{(n^2-n)/3}
 
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