Finding polar equation of a shifted cricle

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The problem involves finding the polar equation of a circle with a radius of 4 that has been shifted up by one unit, represented by the Cartesian equation x²+(y-1)²=16. Participants are exploring the transition from Cartesian to polar coordinates and the implications of the shape of the graph.

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  • Participants discuss substituting Cartesian coordinates into the polar form and manipulating the resulting equation. There are questions about the correctness of the provided polar equation and the interpretation of the graph's shape.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with some participants expressing doubts about the official answer and others reflecting on their initial assumptions regarding the shape of the graph. There is a recognition of the curve's nature as a limaçon, but no consensus has been reached on the polar equation.

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Participants note that the problem was presented as a multiple-choice question with only an image provided, which led to confusion regarding the correct interpretation of the shape. The lack of explicit information in the problem is acknowledged, contributing to the complexity of deriving the polar equation.

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Homework Statement
The question asked to select the correct polar equation of a circle of radius 4 that had been shifted up one unit, so x²+(y-1)²=16.
Relevant Equations
x²+(y-1)²=16
x=rcos(θ) and y=rsin(θ
The question asked to select the correct polar equation of a circle of radius 4 that had been shifted up one unit, so x²+(y-1)²=16.

I subbed in x=rcos(θ) and y=rsin(θ) on the left-hand side and after some algebra obtained the quadratic r² -2rsin(θ) - 15 = 0. Solving this, I got r=sin(θ) ± √(sin²(θ)+15).

But I don't know how to proceed from here to get the answer r=4+sin(θ)
 
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The official answer, r=4+sin(θ), is wrong. Look at this link.
 
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Ahh thank you. It was my mistake then for thinking this given image was a circle..
pseudocircle.webp
 
farfromdaijoubu said:
Ahh thank you. It was my mistake then for thinking this given image was a circle..View attachment 361469
The height on your diagram is 8. But - check the scale marks - the width is more than 8. So it's not circular.

For information, a curve of the form ##r = a + b \sin \theta## (or ##r = a + b \cos \theta##) is called a ‘limaçon’.
 
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At first glance, one could think that the image was that of a circle. For a circle centered at (0, 0), of radius 4, and translated up by 1 unit, the x-intercepts would be at ##x = \pm \sqrt{15} \approx \pm 3.87##.

What information was given in the problem? Just based on the image, it would be a stretch to come up with the Cartesian equation, let alone the polar equation.
 
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Mark44 said:
At first glance, one could think that the image was that of a circle. For a circle centered at (0, 0), of radius 4, and translated up by 1 unit, the x-intercepts would be at ##x = \pm \sqrt{15} \approx \pm 3.87##.

What information was given in the problem? Just based on the image, it would be a stretch to come up with the Cartesian equation, let alone the polar equation.

It was a multiple choice with just the image but all the options were of the form Steve4Physics said. At the time I just ended up just plotting each one and figuring it out that way but I should've recognized it was a limacon.
 
Also, the curve looks like an ellipse. $$ \frac{15x^2}{256}+\frac{(y-1)^2}{16}=1 $$ If all the options are of the form ## r=a+b\sin\theta ## or ## r=a+b\cos\theta ## where ## a\neq0 ## and ## b\neq0 ##, it is definitely a limacon.
 
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