Finding Potential Difference Change with Dielectric Insertion in Capacitor

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The discussion revolves around a capacitor initially charged by a battery, which is then disconnected before a dielectric material is inserted. Participants are exploring how the insertion of the dielectric affects the potential difference across the capacitor's plates, particularly focusing on the dielectric constant and its implications for capacitance and voltage.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between charge, capacitance, and potential difference, questioning how the dielectric constant influences voltage. There are inquiries about the role of the displacement field and Gauss's law in this context. Some participants express uncertainty about the definitions and implications of the dielectric constant.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with various interpretations of the dielectric constant being explored. Some participants have offered insights into the physics of dielectrics and their effects on capacitance, while others are seeking clarification on the definitions and relationships involved.

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There is some ambiguity regarding the notation and definitions used for the dielectric constant, with participants suggesting alternative terms and questioning the assumptions made about the system's setup.

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Homework Statement


An empty capacitor is connected to a 11.7-V battery and charged up. The capacitor is then disconnected from the battery, and a slab of dielectric material (κ = 3.1) is inserted between the plates. Find the magnitude of the amount by which the potential difference across the plates changes.


Homework Equations


if the charge is 11.7-V and k= 3.1, how is k used to find V?


The Attempt at a Solution


q = C*V
 
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Inserting a dielectric causes a polarization of the charges inside the dielectric. This internal electric field in turn causes the E field between the terminals to decrease and thus decreases the potential difference. The capacitance C turns into k*C. Q must remain unchanged. How does this change V?
 
Hmm, do you know about the displacement field? Basically it is a convenient way of redefining Maxwell's equations for materials. In the case you would be concerned about

\nabla \cdot \mathbf{D} = \rho_f

which will translate to the Gauss's law everyone is used to

\iint \mathbf{D} \cdot \hat{n}da = Q_{free}

Where the free charge density and total free charge are the quantities on the right side, they would be charges on your capacitors. We have to distinguish between the free charges and other (bound) charges because the dielectric will have all these dipoles floating around that we wouldn't care about for this case. Then you can use the relation that

\mathbf{D} = \epsilon \mathbf{E}

where epsilon would be, in your convention

\epsilon_0(1+k) = \epsilon

So almost everything is the same that you would do to find a regular capacitor, except the constants have changed.
 
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would V increase by "k" also? (V*k)??
 
arod2812 said:
would V increase by "k" also? (V*k)??

Dead wrong. Q is constant. Actually, Mindscrape might know this stuff better than me. I'll turn you over to him.
 
I'm not really sure what the k the OP is using, but I assume it is the dielectric constant. It could be epsilon, though I highly doubt it because that would make no sense at all. Regardless, maybe we should rename the constant out front to be Y because Y is never used. I'm 99% positive you really want the epsilon I defined before to use as Y.

So from gauss's law we would get

DA = \sigma_f A = \sigma A

D = \sigma

which would bring us to E like so

E = \frac{D}{Y} = \frac{\sigma}{Y}

So then V is the integral of E over the length

V = E*L

At this point you should have everything you would ever need, within the limits of notation differences.
 
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I think it is just the dielectric constant. A multiple of the vacuum permittivity. I.e. k=1 is vacuum. Or am I wrong? It's been a long time. So C becomes C*k when the material is inserted?
 
Yeah, that is the way I interpreted it, as the dielectric constant. I am used to \chi[/tex] being the dielectric constant, and the OP just put in some constant open to interpretation, so I don't know if the k is supposed to be dielectric constant or not, but I'm 99% sure it is supposed to be.
 

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