Finding Remainders for Large Numbers Modulo 5

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The discussion revolves around finding the remainder of the expression 1^99 + 2^99 + 3^99 + 4^99 + 5^99 when divided by 5, as well as generalizing this result. The subject area includes modular arithmetic and properties of remainders.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the use of modular arithmetic to find remainders, with some attempting to apply the division algorithm to simplify calculations. Questions arise regarding the validity of generalizations made about sums of integers and their remainders when divided by prime numbers.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches to compute the remainders, with some participants providing suggestions and others questioning the assumptions made in the generalizations. The discussion reflects a mix of attempts to clarify concepts and explore specific cases without reaching a consensus.

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Some participants express confusion over the original poster's claims and the implications of their generalizations, indicating a need for further clarification on the definitions and assumptions involved in the problem.

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Homework Statement



(a) Find the remainder when 1^99 + 2^99 + 3^99 + 4^99 + 5^99 is divided by 5.
(b) Generalize this result

Homework Equations


Congruence Modulo

a\equivb mod n

also

a=n*q+b where q is some integer.

The Attempt at a Solution



The remainder for 1^99 would be 1.
The remainder for 5^99 would be 0.

I'm having difficulty finding the remainder for 2,3,4.

I'm assuming I have to use modular arithmetic to find the remainder for these, but I'm not sure where to start. Anyone care to point me in the right direction?
 
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For ##2^{99}##, note that ##2^4 = 16## which leaves remainder ##1##. So start by using the division algorithm to write ##99 = 4a + b## where ##b < 4##.
 
cheiney said:
The remainder for 1^99 would be 5.

really ?
 
jbunill has offered you an idea, which is a good one. However if you are still not sure how to proceed, try this: compute each of ##2^n## mod 5 where n = 0,1,2, .. 7. Observe what happens. From that point you should be able to compute ##2^{99}## mod 5.
 
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Thanks everyone for your posts. I figured out the answer to both parts.

Part a) , the remainder is 0.

Part b) , If you sum n integers, where n is prime, and divide the sum by n, you will always get a remainder of 0.

P.S. Phinds and Mark44, I wrote it incorrectly. The remainder should be 1, not 5.

I especially appreciate brmath's post as this one made the most sense to me.
 
cheiney said:
Part b) , If you sum n integers, where n is prime, and divide the sum by n, you will always get a remainder of 0.

This is way too general... according to this claim, if I take 4 and 5, which is two integers, and I sum them, then divide by 2 I get a remainder of zero.
 
Office_Shredder said:
This is way too general... according to this claim, if I take 4 and 5, which is two integers, and I sum them, then divide by 2 I get a remainder of zero.

Ah, I didn't think of that. What if I specify n consecutive integers starting from 1?
 
Part (a) is not an example of that though... if it was

"Find 1+2+3+4+5 mod 5" then it would be, but as written it's not a sum of n consecutive integers.
 
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Office_Shredder said:
Part (a) is not an example of that though... if it was

"Find 1+2+3+4+5 mod 5" then it would be, but as written it's not a sum of n consecutive integers.

Okay I understand what you are saying. What if I said:

If you sum 1^a+2^a+3^a+...+n^a (where n is a prime number) and divide this sum by n, you end up with a remainder of 0?
 
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You can write 4 as -1 mod 5 and 3 as -2 mod 5.

( 1 mod5)^99 = (1 mod5)^98 *(1 mod5)
( -1 mod5)^99 = (-1 mod5)^98 *(-1 mod5),

the same with 2 mod5 and -2 mod5.

How are (k mod5)^98 and (-k mod5)^98 related?

ehild
 
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cheiney said:
Okay I understand what you are saying. What if I said:

If you sum 1^a+2^a+3^a+...+n^a (where n is a prime number) and divide this sum by n, you end up with a remainder of 0?

Is it true if a even? For example, 12+22+32 divided by 3?

ehild
 
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cheiney What is the connection between amod5 + bmod5 and (a+b)mod5? Figure that out by taking some examples.

Then figure out ##2^{99}, 3^{99}, 4^{99}## by the method I suggested earlier and use what you just learned about sums and mods.

It's best not to reach for general answers until you have worked out a number of specific cases.
 

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