Finding Solutions for Complex Numbers: A Case Study with ω10+ω5+3 = 0

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the value of the expression ω10 + ω5 + 3, where ω is a solution to the equation x2 + x + 1 = 0, which leads to complex numbers. Participants explore the relationship between complex numbers and the expression in question.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the solutions to the quadratic equation and their implications for the expression involving ω. There are attempts to simplify the expression using properties of complex numbers and De Moivre's theorem. Some participants express confusion about handling the cubic terms and seek clarification on reducing the expression to a quadratic form.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants have offered insights on reducing the expression and substituting values, while others are still grappling with the complexities of the cubic terms and their simplifications. There is no explicit consensus yet, but productive suggestions have been made.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the use of complex numbers may not be necessary for solving the problem, and there is a focus on manipulating the original quadratic equation to simplify the expression further.

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complex number ??

Homework Statement


Let ω be the solution to the equation x2+x+1=0
Get the value of ω105+3=

Homework Equations


complex numbers?

The Attempt at a Solution


When I try solving the first equation I hit a complex number which is making me think I am wrong.
(x+1/2)2=-3/4
Again if the method is right, what is the relationship between the complex number and the later expression?
 
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There are two solutions to the quadratic, both are complex numbers.
 
Solve the equation and find the two complex solutions for x.

Now, you know that these values are equal to ω, apply De Moivre's theorem for complex numbers to the new expression.
 
You don't have to solve the equation- in fact, you don't have to use complex numbers at all.

From x^2+ x+ 1= 0 we get x^2= -(x+ 1). x^{10}= (x^2)^5= -(x+ 1)^5= -x^5- 5x^4- 10x^3- 10x^2- 5x- 1 so that x^{10}+ x^5+ 3= -5x^4- 10x^3- 10x^2- 5x+ 2.

Now, continue using x^2= -(x+ 1) to keep reducing the exponents until you have reduce it to a quadratic.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
You don't have to solve the equation- in fact, you don't have to use complex numbers at all.

From x^2+ x+ 1= 0 we get x^2= -(x+ 1). x^{10}= (x^2)^5= -(x+ 1)^5= -x^5- 5x^4- 10x^3- 10x^2- 5x- 1 so that x^{10}+ x^5+ 3= -5x^4- 10x^3- 10x^2- 5x+ 2.

Now, continue using x^2= -(x+ 1) to keep reducing the exponents until you have reduce it to a quadratic.

I tried doing that but I really do not know how to go about the -10x3The cubic power keeps resurfacing?
 
Maybe try:

x^2 = -(x+1)

Therefore, x.x^2 = -x(x+1) = -x^2 - x

Now, substitute for x^2 the expression on the top line, and you have the equivalent for x^3. :smile:
 
NascentOxygen said:
Maybe try:

x^2 = -(x+1)

Therefore, x.x^2 = -x(x+1) = -x^2 - x

Now, substitute for x^2 the expression on the top line, and you have the equivalent for x^3. :smile:
Wow good insight now I have the quadratic equation and am stuck again.
 
Yes, you can reduce it to a quadratic. Now compare it to x^2+ x+ 1 which you know is 0.
 
Asla said:
I tried doing that but I really do not know how to go about the -10x3The cubic power keeps resurfacing?
Determining the value of x^3 is critical. You know that x^2 = -(x+1). Multiply both sides by x and simplify the right hand side.

Hall's approach is valid, but it's even easier if you use x^5 = x^3 x^2 and x^{10} = (x^3)^3 x.
 
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Nice I got it.Thanks
 

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